[kazinator]

> You can't make a bad programmer better by switching out the language

Right; good programmer, though, another story.

> boring old java or c# or python

Many programmers using these were switched to them from something else, and in many cases are doing better work because of that.

[smackeyacky]

If they moved on from lisp I'm 100% sure they are now able to do better work, largely because they no longer have to spend their days telling everybody they are a lisp programmer.