[protomyth]

In a lot of ways, my ideal product would be a HyperCard / Excel combo that could output Java (or some other source code).

[tomcam]

Something close to that was tried in Microsoft when I was there 1996-2000. It was extraordinarily hard to keep the visual forms designer and the output code in sync, especially when users tried to edit the code.

[protomyth]

I don't think it needs to return trip for it to be useful. Most of the value is allowing programmers to get the business logic that expert users generate.

[tomcam]

It’s really, really hard to explain that to users when they see what looks to be editable serialized code for forms.

[protomyth]

I was thinking a file export, not something the user would deal with. They get their nice HyperTalk with Excel functions.