[benmller313]

You're missing the point the article is making. If people choose not to take the vaccine, why stop them from going out and getting infected? They have informed consent on the dangers of covid, they can make their own decision.

[yarcob]

I understood what the article was saying very well, I just don't agree with it.

The same argument could have made without vaccinations as well. Why close bars, if you could just tell people to stay at home? The people who choose to be careless have informed consent.

The reason is that often people don't make the smartest decisions and don't consider the consequences of their actions. For example, a parent might not care to get vaccinated, but if they get sick and die it's their kids who suffer.

So I think we should try to do everything we can to prevent people from getting COVID. We should try to convince even the most careless people to get vaccinated, because it's not just them, but also their dependents who are affected.

[beervirus]

> The same argument could have made without vaccinations as well. Why close bars, if you could just tell people to stay at home? The people who choose to be careless have informed consent.

The argument only holds up when vaccines are available to those who want them. If I can’t get a vaccine, then someone else’s choice of going to the bar is a danger to me, because I might find myself standing next to him at the grocery store next week. With the vaccine being available to me though, he’s mostly only a danger to himself and like minded people.

> So I think we should try to do everything we can to prevent people from getting COVID. We should try to convince even the most careless people to get vaccinated, because it's not just them, but also their dependents who are affected.

I agree that we should do what we can, encourage people to get vaccinated, etc. But perpetual lockdowns have costs of their own, and there is real value in getting back to normal. Now that vaccines are available to everybody, it is time.

[yarcob]

I also think the lockdowns should end. I'm merely suggesting to end them for vaccinated people first.

[beervirus]

That’s a lot easier said than done, and it overwhelmingly only affects the people who have chosen not to get vaccinated. I feel bad for their kids etc. too but at some point we’re just gonna have to say “fuck em.”

[yarcob]

How is it hard to say "You can go to a bar as long as you bring a confirmation of vaccination"? That's really easy to say, and pretty much everyone except for a few hardcore antivaxers would understand.

I'm sure that 90% of the people who are hesitating would get a covid shot if they had the right kind of incentive. No more lockdown restrictions is something that I think would appeal to a lot of people.

And I really don't want to say "fuck them" to anyone. I know a few people who do not want to get a shot, and while I don't agree with their choice, I still don't want them to get Covid.

[beervirus]

Confirmation of vaccination is a handwritten slip of paper. Requiring them is security theater. Anybody who wants to go to the bar will have no trouble going to the bar.

[Ryckes]

Because those people are a risk to the people who can't get vaccinated for health reasons.

[WalterGR]

And to everyone who is vaccinated, since no vaccine is 100% reliable.