[DamnYuppie]

What I am seeing on the ground is definitely disagreeing with this. The thing they are fighting against is people are getting a lot of money in stimulus so there is no desire for them to work. Where I live there are tons of people looking to hire at $20/hr and they are getting zero applicants. These jobs range from Walmart, local delivery drivers, yard crews, etc. It is pretty harsh trying to compete against free money.

[abxytg]

Let me know where you are! I know 5 - 10 people locally on unemployment looking for jobs >$13 / hr, 25hrs / week! They'd LOVE a good job with $20/hr, full time, and benefits. There is absolutely no such thing anywhere else in the USA, the people where you live are so lucky! I'm in a second tier West Coast city and anywhere with a help needed sign still up is offering ~$11/hr.

[DamnYuppie]

Boise, ID

[abxytg]

That's actually perfect! I know 3 people in Boise right now with college degrees looking for work like that. Do you hav specifics so I can forward to them?

[DamnYuppie]

Here are the ones I saw yesterday, 4/7.

Walmart, Sports Authority, D&B Supply, and Albertsons on Fairview and Eagle. Lowes on Eagle. All were $18-$20 some with bonuses.

Maverik on Fariview and 5 mile, Maverik on Fairfield and Cloverdale.

Both Walmart's on Overland.

Gemstate metals was looking for machinists.

[octernion]

yeah i'd love to see just one job posting that falls into this category. as far as i can tell you are just making stuff up.

[supernovae]

I know a printer who can't hire people... he thinks its because of free money, but in reality it's because he's a supreme asshole and when people didn't HAVE to work for him, they chose not to.

A healthy economy is one where people have the flexibility to be choosey and places that offer shit-jobs have to change or go out of business.

[DamnYuppie]

That maybe the case for that person but when people simply aren't even applying to jobs that is something else.

[supernovae]

If you're a great company to work for, you won't have any problems hiring. It really is that easy. Friends, Recommendations, Word of Mouth...

[elliekelly]

The $3,200 in stimulus provided over the course of a year is not “a lot of money” anywhere in the US. And since it’s the equivalent of $1.50/hour for a full time worker for the year it’s certainly not enough to discourage anyone from working.

[j0ba]

We're talking about unemployment benefits, not stimulus money.

[Dah00n]

No..

>"The thing they are fighting against is people are getting a lot of money in stimulus so there is no desire for them to work."

[elliekelly]

If that’s the case then surely you’ll excuse the misunderstanding since “money in stimulus” is an unusual (and somewhat misleading) way for someone to say “unemployment benefits”.

[missedthecue]

It's boosted by the federal government, hence the stimulus. In some states, people are getting $4k a month for sitting on their butt. Even offering $5k or $6k a month, it's hard to lure people from 0 hours of work to 40 hours of work per week.

[devwastaken]

Haven't seen this personally, a lot of small businesses have closed and WalMart is the same wages. Went to a hiring event with "live interviews" and it was actually just a bag of paper with places that are hiring, with a candy bar and pens inside. All of it being things like home Depot, "nursing assistant", retirement homes, etc. Same as years before the pandemic but few of it being locally grown business. There was a "IT hiring event" and it was actually just entirely an ad for why you have to go to college and get an IT degree, nobody is actually looking to hire outside the box. I believe a number of places figured out they can downsize quite successfully.

There was even a union electrical apprenticeship, which had severe competition, only hired a few people a year, and required all manner of tests all required within 1 day of the event which was impossible to have. (Color blindness test, high school transcripts, etc) the guy really didn't care to be there.

[kreeben]

>> people are getting a lot of money in stimulus

Please define "a lot of money".

>> so there is no desire for them to work

Those lazies, why won't they work for peanuts?

>> Where I live there are tons of people looking to hire at $20/hr and they are getting zero applicants.

Source please, if you will.

[DamnYuppie]

As I stated in my comment it was based on recent conversations with business owners in my area, so I am the source.

I find it offensive and sad that you implied I called someone lazy, I didn't. I stated that competing with free money is challenging and is what is making it hard to find employees. Why work for $20/hr when you are getting unemployment benefits that nears $14?

[codemac]

$14/hour * 40 hours/week * 50 weeks is $28k/year.

$20/hour * 40 hours/week * 50 weeks is $40k/year.

This is life changing amounts different.

Considering a living wage is considered $14/hour for Idaho[0] for a single, unmarried, no kids adult, I think the bigger problem is probably not unemployment, but with businesses not realizing that their wages are not competitive for labor against almost anything else.

You can't pay the median or worse and expect hiring to be quickly, especially in Boise - a growing urban area that is probably well outside the state's average.

[0]: https://livingwage.mit.edu/states/16

[bryanlarsen]

To emphasize your point in other words, this means that the difference between $14 and $20 is massive. $14/hr will just cover food & rent & essentials with nothing left for quality of life. $20/hr means you can afford beer.

[kreeben]

Today I woke up regretting being overly aggressive yesterday when replying to your comments. I also regret viewing your words in the worst way possible. Finally, I regret putting words into your mouth. I was (very, very) drunk last night and was acting foolishly. I used our discussion to win karma points. I'll try better next time. Will you accept my sincere apology?

[kreeben]

I found your unsubstantiated claim that "people aren't even applying to these great fucking job opportunities" laughable.

EDIT: Apologies, that was a lazy comment. What I meant to say was "I found your comment to be laughable at best and ill-willed at worst."

If you are still into having a discussion with me, even though I offended you, can we make it revolve around the concept of "socialism" and the reasons behind many US citizens being afraid that going down the path of looking out for each other will lead to the US becoming The Soviet Union?

[maxfurman]

I know I wouldn't work for Walmart even for $20/hr because their benefits are notoriously bad. You can compete with free money by offering a better total package than just money. Never mind the opportunity cost of working for Walmart instead of starting your own business, educating yourself, etc. etc.

[missedthecue]

Would you rather make $17 an hour playing video games in your pajamas or $20 an hour coming into work every morning?

That's the problem here. It's not the fault of the businesses.

[Dah00n]

Ah yes, the slogan used worldwide by ultra conservatives and the extreme right. Here in Denmark it is "Det skal kunne betale sig at arbejde! ("You should benefit from having a job!") Said by no-one ever who have actually had to sit on their ass with nothing to do for years. What is your dream is most people's nightmare. With no job you will live a second rate life as everyone who have been there long enough will know. In Denmark they will even have free healthcare like everyone else and yet people still would rather work then collect unemployment benefits (which is also much better and higher than it is in the States). It's a myth.

[Izkata]

Well, it was confirmed true a year ago: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/employers-struggle-compete-6...

[mcphage]

Strange—I wonder what was happening a year ago that meant people were uninterested in going back in to work. I feel like something weird was happening, but I can't remember what it was.

[imtringued]

Those unemployed workers are literally going on strike.

[joshuamorton]

None of the jobs you listed give a consistent $20 salary. None of them give a consistent $15 salary.

$20 hour inconsistent gig work isn't the same as a $20 salaried job.

[spamizbad]

What metro area is this? I know people looking for work who would be delighted for $20/hour.

[imtringued]

If someone gets free money and they spend it, they increase demand for labor, which makes it easier to raise wages until working becomes attractive again.