[dundermuffl1n]

Work at Waymo. Know lots of folks at Cruise. This is not reflective of the general outlook that most engineers have.

[Der_Einzige]

I have engineer friends at Waymo that I went to school with who tell me that real self driving is 30 years out.

[hahaxdxd123]

What does "real" mean to you? L4 self driving in most parts of dense cities in the American sunbelt and similar constraints for trucking represents massive revenue and a real business in my eyes.

If you mean driving like a human does with no priors over the area and in nearly any circumstance, I would agree.

[0xffff2]

Shocking that the outlook at a self-driving car company doesn't match the general outlook of the entire automotive industry.