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by kurthr 1864 days ago
What if groups/species of birds had "collective synesthesia"?

Some people see colors or feel tastes... and it doesn't seem that unlikely that there would be selection pressure for parts of the bird brain to connect their spatial awareness to their auditory system and then songs. There could be a nice feedback loop that their own songs would strike similar experiences for themselves (if they hear themselves similar to others).

Of course we know that bats have this type of neural connection in echolocation and dolphins/whales may even using it to communicate in similar ways with their songs.

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They kinda do!

If you place migratory birds in a big round cage, they show 'Zugunruhe[0]', or migratory restlessness: they jump and flutter in the direction that they would be otherwise be migrating if they were out in the wild. Rotating the magnetic field (e.g., by putting magnets around the aviary) also rotates the direction of their Zugunruhe.

No one totally understands how this works, but the magnetic information is thought to be 'overlaid' on other sensory information. One candidate pathway involves a light-dependent pathway in the retina. When a cryptochrome absorbs light, it generates radical pairs that affect how visual information is perceived[1]. This could give the birds something like HUD which displays magnetic field lines on top of the visual scene. Consistent with this idea, birds can only orient to magnetic fields under certain colors of light, with the color varying a bit from bird to bird[2]. It's almost as if the colored light washes out the HUD.

There's another parallel pathway involving bits of magnetite in the beak[3,4]. These signals flow through the trigeminal nerve, which carries a lot of different signals; it would not be impossible for this to manifest as "pressure", as it carries touch/somatosensory information in many animals.

[0] Ethologists love German and this word captures my lockdown feeling so very well. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000634950... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/364525a0 [3] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000634950... [4] https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2009.005...

I remember that "cymascope" experiment that used a dolphin's sound as input. Turned out the water surface had an image (after lots of noise deblurring) of a human the dolphin just seen. This means the organ that decodes sound is a simple membrane with water. How dolphins encode images into sound is a separate question.
Since dolphins also 'see' with sonar, using the sonar response inflection of an object to refer to that object is sort of like an onomatopoeia.
I don't remember this but would extremely interested to see it. Any link?
It was one of John Stuart Reid presentations.