[efiecho]

> Yes they do. Healthy vegans are way more common than you think. There is nothing unique about meat that can't be obtained from plant-based foods.

You can easily check if a vegan is actually following a vegan diet without cheating, because after a few years they will develop the sunken eyes and hollow collarbones, definitely not looking healthy.

[sweetheart]

Wait then why do literally none of the staunch vegan people I know look like this? And why does the American Dietetic Association officially state that a vegan diet is completely fine for all stages of life?

[efiecho]

> Wait then why do literally none of the staunch vegan people I know look like this?

Maybe your are lying or in denial? I have first hand experience with the cult like properties of the vegan movement. It's very clear from how ex-vegans - people how really tried to embrace veganism, but had to quit because of health issues - are harassed by current vegans, any criticism of the movement cannot be tolerated and ex-vegans are very dangerous as they expose that veganism is not for everyone.

> And why does the American Dietetic Association officially state that a vegan diet is completely fine for all stages of life?

Lobbyism? Research some of the former controversies. The name is Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics now by the way.

[sweetheart]

Do you have any proof that lobbyism is the cause? Or are you just saying that?

Also would you be interested in having a zoom call with me, or some other vegans, to see that we don’t at all look unhealthy? We can clear this up very quickly, I think.

[dqv]

You've already decided that any healthy vegan must be cheating - there is no way to have a productive conversation with you about this.