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by zozbot234 1875 days ago
The article broadly claims that COBOL is viewed dismissively compared to other languages of similar vintage like C or FORTRAN, because unlike those latter it did not come out of a "research-oriented context". However, as a matter of fact, neither C nor FORTRAN came out of academia; much like COBOL, they were developed for practical use as opposed to "research". ISTM that the perceived issues with COBOL must be explained in some other way.
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C has roots of its usage in academia, the same way Unix does.

I suspect, compared to other OSes of the era (Multics, MVS..), Unix doesn't require too much centralized control of (timeshared) operating system resources; for example the security model is extremely simple. So it was readily adopted in academia, because of this perceived user freedom (you just need a shell and you're good to go), and from there it spread to the industry.

So C and FORTRAN didn't came out of the academia, but were more widely adopted by it, which influenced later generations of students.

Academia was crucial in the adoption of UNIX and C, because in the early days UNIX was free beer (AT&T tried to fix that afterwards), so a juicy alternative to paying for Multics, MVS...

That also made UNIX an ideal teaching device for OS programming classes versus the toy OSes developed by students.

Well, until AT&T forbade the circulation of UNIX V6 commented book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions%27_Commentary_on_UNIX_6t...

What's your opinion on ITS?
Not much, I have read a few articles about it, but never cared much to dive into it.

Other than it was probably great having an OS where LISP had the spotlight alongside Assembly.

The Bell Labs of the 1960s/70s was not a research institution???