[kosinus]

I think this is a vague line of reasoning. We want to give animals quality of life, because it’s a humane thing to do, but also slaughter them, which is inhumane. So which is it: is the life of animals just as important, or less?

The same line of reasoning can be applied to humans. We can have really shitty deaths categorised as ‘old age’, yet euthanising is controversial.

[tsimionescu]

> but also slaughter them, which is inhumane

This is the very thing I completely disagree with. All living things die, and almost all animals die by being killed by other animals.

Why is it "inhumane" when this killing is done by a human with a sharp knife or electrocution, but it is "humane" when done by a wolf tearing at their throat, or by insects eating them alive?

And euthanasia of people is controversial for many complex reasons, but it is relatively well accepted by most secularists for cases of extreme pain, at least, which is how animals normally die.

[uxcolumbo]

The lion needs to kill to survive.

We in the modern world don't need to kill anymore to survive.

We have the choice, so why choose to kill an animal just for culinary pleasures?

[tsimionescu]

So your proposed alternative is we keep raising these animals, but euthanize them when they get to some age / fall sick?

[uxcolumbo]

No, the alternative is to not to keep breeding farm animals in the billions, which is a major cause for natural habitat loss [0].

Instead have more R&D into creating meat like substances that doesn't require to kill an animal and doesn't require such a huge carbon footprint - and we are getting there slowly.

And that's the mission of Ethan Brown (Beyond Meat founder) - he said you won't be able to change the culture of meat eating, but if you offer people something that's as good or better and cheaper then people will switch.

Again, the main question really is why inflict pain and kill an animal if you don't need to?

We are not hunter gatherers anymore.

The above comment excludes people who still need to eat meat to survive.

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[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUMGBwgGYWw&t=100s

https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/blog/2019/05/natur...