[dvt]

As an ex-pro CS player (circa 2003-2007), this is pretty neat. Unfortunately, even though CS might have a fairly deep weapon pool, only a very small subset of weapons are actually used in competition (I'd wager 85+% of gameplay mostly involves the M4, AK, AWP, Deagle, and USP/Glock). Situationally, a few weapons would be interesting to compare (the MAG-7 and Scout come to mind), but the tool isn't particularly useful outside of a curiosity.

Even though I don't really follow the pro scene much anymore, I'd personally be more interested in a tool that analyzed map positioning and strats. Cool site nonetheless, solid work!

[mafuyu]

Agreed. It's a neat site, though! There has been some variation in weapon use in recent years, but I don't know if this site would have really helped in revealing those details.

There was that whole period last year where people discovered the SG and AUG were actually quite good, and then Valve nerfed them into the ground again.

Several years ago, the UMP was insanely accurate when tapping/bursting, and it was a great half buy and anti-eco gun. That got nerfed, too. The MP5 behaves somewhat similarly, but it's not really worth buying over the MP9 in a serious match.

There was a recent discovery with the Nova, where the first shot spray was found to be consistent, and you could hit headshots consistently from distance by aiming to the right of the head. That one's pretty fun, although the situations where you'd want that over a deagle seem niche.

I think the biggest missing with this site is that it's only comparing raw DPS/rate of fire numbers and not spread recovery. A big part of it is the "feel" of bursting/tapping guns while momentum cancelling, when in scenarios where you can't full spray.

eg. Clicking on the head with a P250 at medium range isn't super accurate, but if you manage to momentum cancel perfectly and trace, you actually have a pretty decent chance vs full armor. But I could also buy a five seven, which has better armor pen, accuracy, and sprays better.

[vercadium]

Thanks for the feedback; absolutely! Modelling these additional aspects like recoil and accuracy with customisable shot intervals is underway.

To elaborate, they didn't make it into the initial release as there's a substantial amount of work involved to tie that in dynamically with the data (as each shot is inherently dependant on all the shots before it and the time between them when firing multiple rounds).

I understand how much value this would add to the comparisons, so it's a top priority!

[mafuyu]

Good to hear! In particular, one comparison I would love to see is something like:

If I perfectly strafe and momentum cancel between every shot with a pistol, how often do I dink an opponent if my crosshair's on their head with a P2K, P250, CZ, and five seven? How different are the recovery periods where I'm strafing before I can tap again?

[IgorPartola]

I played CS very non-professionally right at that same time. My go to weapon was the AUG/Bullpup. It seemed to me to have the best combination of spread/range/firing speed/damage. Curious why it didn’t make the cut.

Edit: before I got into CS I played a lot of Delta Force and got pretty good at it. I was very proud of my screenshots where I won matches with a 30+ point lead. My weapon of choice there was a heavier machine gun with a model I don’t remember. It wasn’t scoped and didn’t have great accuracy but due to the size of the hit boxes I could still spray and pray pretty efficiently at snipers from a large distance. I was never fast enough at close quarters but the fact that you could see a dot that you knew was a sniper and shoot them down before they got the chance to move while you stay on the move really did help.

[psysharp]

There was a cultural agreement to not use those weapons. Back then the community had to create rules for the game.

[Widdershin]

The AUG and other scoped rifles have seen a fair bit of competitive use, depending on their current state of balance.

[leetcrew]

too expensive in 1.6

[gverrilla]

yes this is the reason why aug/sg were not being used then

[girvo]

It has had a few times where it’s been meta in niche situations even in later iterations of CS

[gao8a]

Was it the m60 or m240? Was it delta force BHD? Good times :)

[IgorPartola]

It was! And based on quick searches I think it might have been the m60 but I’d have to fire up the game to be sure.

[vercadium]

While this is certainly the case overall, at least in today's meta the variety isn't that bad. For example, if you scroll down on https://www.hltv.org/stats?event=5728 you can see a breakdown of what was used in the Dreamhack Masters tournament which was on this weekend.

I feel there's enough variation there (especially for "eco rounds" were people can't afford the top weapons) to find value in comparing them.

Nonetheless, you are correct on the majority and for sure that will be reflected in the usage of the site - a lot of the comparisons are going to be "Can the M4A4 kill with 1 shot to the head at range X" or similar.

[krat0sprakhar]

+1 .. came here to say exactly this. While this site is great for finding out what others weapons exist, I don't think any weapons outside of m4, ak, awp are actually used.

[always_left]

I love that nothing has changed since cs 1.6

[gtsteve]

Yes, largely it has been tweaks but there have been a few changes such as the loss of my beloved riot shield.

[rangibaby]

Tactical Intervention had tons of wacky broken creative ideas, to me it felt a lot more like old school CS than Source or GO

[sixonesixo]

well, SMGs are very used today in the competitive scene. 2nd round winning side is usually the time to buy those SMGs, the opponent will probably have an eco round and the added kill bonus given by those weapons are very useful to build up the team economy. Also the autoshotgun has some use, usually CT side in maps like Nuke (A site) where there are choke points and a CT can spam the weapon against a T rushing inside the bomb site

[publicola1990]

I really do wish that eSports broadcasting of CS would improve. Instead of focussing on the first person view, if it primarily showcased an overhead view clearly indicating positioning and movement it would be more engaging for viewers.

[sylas1]

but the difference would be that you can't see insane PoV's mid-round, which for me, takes away from the beauty of the game

[publicola1990]

eSports I feel needs to grow into a more spectator friendly approach. Real life soccer matches are not broadcast from a players perspective, for example. Similarly if CS GO matches are broadcast from a overhead view that covers a broad swath of the map, it could provide a more engaging view to the spectators.

It externalises the action, and makes the match into a "show" to watch, which I would say would be naturally more appealing to viewers.

Another interesting option would be to give spectators a free camera to view, I don't think that anything technical difficulty ia there in most game engines from providing a free, unrestricted camera to spectators.

[prox]

You’re not bound by physical parameters... why not both?

[Lifescape]

I think the most useful feature is the damage fall off at range. It would be nice to visually see how far away a target is when you adjust the feet away/units away.

[vercadium]

Great idea! I had plans to add in a few examples for context, but showing that visually is something I hadn't considered yet; thanks for the feedback :)

[ZephyrBlu]

> I'd personally be more interested in a tool that analyzed map positioning and strats

What sort of analysis of map positioning and strategies are you thinking about?