[dmaharding]

> The reality is: if you compare the speed at which and the amount of new stuff being built in and atop the ethereum ecosystem to the innovation in the Bitcoin ecosystem, the difference is absolutely striking.

Here's a list of technical developments related to Bitcoin (including LN) grouped by month and topic as covered by a single publication over the past three years: https://bitcoinops.org/en/topic-dates/

I'd be interested in seeing a similar such list for Ethereum or any other cryptocurrency that shows a similar pace of development.

Edit: removed paragraph based on accidental misattribution.

[nodja]

> I'd be interested in seeing a similar such list for Ethereum or any other cryptocurrency that shows a similar pace of development.

I can't seem to find one for ethereum, the closest probably would be going through their blog entries and filtering by "research and development". https://blog.ethereum.org/category/research-and-development/

I did find a similar list for bitcoin cash: https://cash.coin.dance/development

Note that both lists are a bit deceitful because they include proposals not yet included/implemented. The bitcoinops list also seems to double entries if you don't sort them alphabetical, so take that into consideration if just comparing pure amount of features.

Also the coin.dance list does not list layer2/sidechain implementations. Stuff like SmartBCH would probably over inflate such a list, it would also be unfair because SmartBCH is based on work the ethereum devs did (EVM/web3).

Both lists seem to start around the same date so I'd say they're comparable.

[nootropicat]

https://www.weekinethereumnews.com/

[ur-whale]

> Your earlier post seemed to indicate that you only scan "the big crypto subreddits"

Nice and well-formed ad hominem, but before proceeding, I'd suggest re-reading the name of the user that made the claim about crypto sub-reddits.

[nullc]

Okay, so he's mistaken about the author of the comment but how is

> Your earlier post seemed to indicate that you only scan "the big crypto subreddits" for news; may I suggest that maybe popular subreddits aren't the best place for news about research and development.

In any way an ad hominem? Check out his link, it stands on its own.

If you're surprised about that level of activity it might just be that you're not reading the places where that sort of thing is discussed. But there is nothing bad or insulting about that suggestion.

[ur-whale]

Neither he or you have any idea where I gather information on cryptos.

You are both essentially speculating and accusing me of being ill-informed without providing a shred of evidence.

[EDIT]: And even if you were correct, you're both attacking the messenger and not the message. That pretty much fits my definition of an ad-hominem.

I claim (I might be wrong, please provide counter-evidence) that there is more innovation in the Ethereum ecosystem than in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

As proof, I offer, however misguided these efforts might be (you can't innovate if you don't try "silly" things), sorted by more to less silly:

    - cryptokitties

    - NFTs

    - DeFi

    - scalability via layer 2 solutions

    - scalability via sharding

    - actually working smart contracts instead of a vague promise of their eventual feasibility based on a yet-to-be-deployed piece of infrastructure

    - a concerted effort to move to PoS

    - ongoing work on integrating ZK (zcash, beam, grin, monero)-type transactions.

Many of these things don't seem to have an equivalent in the Bitcoin space (except L2 scaling).

The list provided by the GP (https://bitcoinops.org/en/topic-dates/) IMO very much falls in the "polishing the turd" category: many tiny improvements that very few people care about and show the disconnect between Bitcoin development and what the market wants.

The fact is : ethereum is here, it has real smart contract, it is well on its way to have PoS, and it's slowly gaining market shares over Bitcoin because they move faster.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Bitcoin and its ecosystem, but the pace at which innovation occurs in there is probably my number one peeve about it: if Bitcoin doesn't get its act together it will get the rug pulled from under it by Ethereum.

[keymone]

> - cryptokitties

colored coins existed on bitcoin before ethereum was a thing

> NFTs

colored coins existed on bitcoin before ethereum was a thing

> DeFi

meaningless buzzword that vaguely gestures at scripting possibilities, which again, were in bitcoin before ethereum was a thing

> scalability via layer 2 solutions

was on bitcoin before ethereum was a thing

> scalability via sharding

not a thing for at least few years and will be either a spectacular failure or multiple separate chains with atomic swaps between them

> actually working smart contracts instead of a vague promise of their eventual feasibility based on a yet-to-be-deployed piece of infrastructure

smart contracts were a thing on bitcoin before ethereum existed

> a concerted effort to move to PoS

a gigantic failure that undermines security of ethereum and market will not be merciful

> ongoing work on integrating ZK (zcash, beam, grin, monero)-type transactions.

happened on non-ethereum ecosystem

there's really not a lot to be excited about ethereum these days. years and years of promises of global scalable computer, finally an admission that it was all a giant lie and now again years and years of promises of ethereum 2.0 that will not actually for real be global scalable computer, except there's no proposed solutions for any problems because it's easier to part fools from their money with empty promises than with serious discussion about tradeoffs.