[bsder]

> As someone not in the know: what's the important change that Bumble introduced?

"Not tinder" at the point where a "not tinder" was due to emerge.

Dating apps always run on the same cycle.

No dating app solves the fundamental problem of women in this day and age have a totally distorted view of the range of "attractiveness" for men.

[karpierz]

> the fundamental problem of women in this day and age have a totally distorted view of the range of "attractiveness" for men.

Can you explain what you mean? Are you saying that the reason that modern dating is hard is because women are too selective?

[bsder]

Yes. The data shows that women have a huge misunderstanding of "male attractiveness":

https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyo...

That's a gigantic problem in that even if a woman estimates herself correctly relative to other females, she totally mis-estimates the men she's equivalent to.

Men, on the other hand, understand female attractiveness quite well. However, they put in a lot of effort to land that female that punches above their weight in attractiveness.

[karpierz]

You're applying your biases to the data.

All the data says is that women think that the average man on OkCupid in 2009 is less attractive than the average man.

Your conclusion: women don't rate mens' attractiveness accurately.

Another conclusion: the average man on a dating site is less attractive than the average man.

Another conclusion: women and men interpret the survey question differently.

You also make the additional assumption that this is some sort of fundamental problem, but that's a separate issue.

[darthrupert]

Men are probably guilty of that as well. Isn't the problem more that the ratio between men and women in those sites is heavily skewed?

[bsder]

Nope, the men estimate women pretty much on a bit of flattened bell curve just like you would expect in reality.

The female estimate looks like a power curve from zero.

https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyo...

[darthrupert]

Oh wow, huh. I guess it should not have been news that women value looks differently. Or that men look different. Or a combination.