[vmception]

everyone that matters is working towards making these statements more true than yesterday

everyone that doesn’t matter is looking at the current state and complaining about it, never considering they could improve the technology because it never was about that for them, its just the latest goal post in wishing it would go away

consensus from the state-apparatus leans towards the builders and not towards the ban-ners

[drdeca]

This is too broad.

Obviously I haven't been spending any significant amount of time attempting to improve any of the technology, because I've got obligations, and my skillsets aren't really that suited towards cryptography. (I did briefly read up on the Legendre symbol to see if I could think of anything interesting to say about their proposed use of it as a PRF, but unsurprisingly, especially seeing as I didn't take all that much time thinking about it, but would still be unsurprising even if I had, I did not think of anything even marginally interesting to say about it.) (edit : I mention this only in order to demonstrate/claim that my attitude towards the research being done is positive, and if I thought I could contribute usefully towards the efforts of getting it to proof of stake, without too big of a cost, I'd gladly do so, but because I can't, I don't. )

There's no conflict between saying "This is currently a concern. There's a potential solution being worked on which might address that concern, and that would be good. For the time being, it is still a concern."

[vmception]

There’s nothing wrong with pointing it out, we just both agree that your contributions don’t matter because they are nonexistent

[drdeca]

I suppose I am responding to " never considering they could improve the technology because it never was about that for them, its just the latest goal post in wishing it would go away" which I interpreted as painting people who aren't contributing as having an adversarial attitude towards the development of the technology.

[vmception]

I’m only referring to the subset that are actually adversarial

Not referring to everyone that isn't or cant meaningfully contribute

[SantalBlush]

Outsiders have zero obligation to improve a technology that is causing them problems.

Factories have tainted groundwater through negligent waste storage/disposal--are community members supposed to pitch in and fix their business procedures as well?

[vmception]

With factories thats exactly what happened. They didn’t fix any specific third party business, they improved the network of factories and what any factory could do.

[SantalBlush]

There are numerous communities in the US who are dealing with toxic plumes in their groundwater, and their solution has not been to improve "the network of factories and what any factory could do," whatever that vague statement means. So no, that is far from "exactly what happened."

The typical response to pollution is to impose penalties on the offending parties. Nobody owes you their time and labor to improve a wasteful piece of technology.

[vmception]

The factories didn't disappear is the actual point.

People that contribute have chiseled around the edges to lessen the externalities created by the factories.

[SantalBlush]

>The factories didn't disappear is the actual point.

The factories have disappeared after being shut down due to pollution violations [1][2], and communities organize to shut down factories due to pollution [3].

[1] https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-exide-plant-clo... [2]https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/02/15/sterigenics-shut-dow...

[3]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/30/toxic-americ...

[vmception]

Not the concept of factories or the industry they were a part of, different compliant nodes popped up

This matches what is going on with crypto networks and resource hungry nodes