[throwaway189262]

That was rude especially for HN, my apologies. I'm a big Java fan but you're right about verbosity and ceremony about startup. There's ways around it but not stuff you would read in a book. Tribal knowledge really like starting a project using a maven archetype and using lombok judiciously.

Java gets a bad rap which bothers me because it's really a good choice for backend work even today. Sometimes it bothers me enough that I lash out needlessly.

[aristofun]

I'm with you, I love Java, really do. JVM is a masterpiece, undoubtedly.

And i also lash out sometimes when people (especially beginners) trying to solve simple problems with heavy artillery, sorry.

Peace.