[bustin]

>Your argument boils down to “I want the right to poison myself and the convenience to do it at easily accessible retail outlets.”

Yes this is my argument.

>The suggestion that we should restrict healthcare based on the degree to which a person is culpable for their disease is a terrible idea, and impossible to implement.

We talked past each other here.

I did not mean that we should remove an individual's access to healthcare due to their habits.

My intent is that if we're OK with spreading out the cost of health care to every citizen, we must also be OK with the fact that some people will cost more due to their habits. If we feel the need to dictate which habits are proper in order to make the costs more lean, maybe we should reconsider spreading out the costs at all, and hold off on socializing medicine.

Socializing the cost of medicine is not a bad idea, but telling people which habits are proper in order to make the costs more lean is a dangerous idea with no limiting principle.

[Gatsky]

> Yes this is my argument

I don't find this very convincing, considering the large downsides for the individual and community. I work in healthcare, so perhaps I have a different perspective to you.

[bustin]

I may not work in healthcare, but I work in health-tech, most of my family worked at a health insurance company for most of their lives, and previous generations were tobacco farmers in KY.

We can build a city on a hill, but what's the point if we can't let loose in the way we want?