[cbarrick]

Any specific reasons to not use Opera?

I actually just switched this week, being fed up with Firefox. So far so good. I very much like the UI/UX.

I hope this isn't just another case of "China bad".

Edit: Ah, I see the link you added. So the new owners seem shady.

[tpmx]

I dunno, if Google was sold to a Chinese company (so, essentially controlled by the CCP), would that in your mind be grounds to avoid using their services, or just another case of "China bad"?

I'm guessing you're perhaps conflating criticism of China/CCP with recent idiotic attacks on random asian people in the US?

[verandaguy]

I agree with you in principle, but I also disagree with your example.

No doubt, China uses this kind of opportunity to spy on users, which I think is plenty good a reason to stop using Opera. OTOH, Google's also spying on its users for profit (at the very least).

Please consider using Firefox. They're currently a very competent browser, and their principles are still rock-solid.

If you still prefer Chrome but want to support what Firefox stands for, think about donating to the Mozilla Foundation: https://donate.mozilla.org/en-CA/?source=donate_redirect. They do some very good work in the online privacy and digital rights space, and even though they're not the top dog in the browser space, they've got plenty of weight to throw around.

[TeeMassive]

Mozilla has openly gone pro deplatforming recently: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...

> Changing these dangerous dynamics requires more than just the temporary silencing or permanent removal of bad actors from social media platforms.

> Additional precise and specific actions must also be taken:

> Reveal who is paying for advertisements, how much they are paying and who is being targeted.

> Commit to meaningful transparency of platform algorithms so we know how and what content is being amplified, to whom, and the associated impact.

>Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation.

> Work with independent researchers to facilitate in-depth studies of the platforms’ impact on people and our societies, and what we can do to improve things.

The basis they use to justify their stance is irrelevant. Good crises have always been used as a way to legitimize future abuse. I want a browser, not a tool meant to manipulate what I'm allowed to say and to see while posing themselves as arbiter of truth.

If you want to donate your hard earned money, the EFF are really the most effective, ethical and sane organization that I know so far. GNU is alright but are way too deep into ideology over practicality to my taste.

[opheliate]

> Mozilla has openly gone pro deplatforming recently

The article you've linked does not specifically advocate deplatforming as I read it.

It begins by questioning when platforms should make the decision to deplatform, and who should have the power to do so:

> When should platforms make these decisions? Is that decision-making power theirs alone?

It implies that deplatforming is ineffectual, as there's no single voice which could be silenced to prevent hate:

> [...] the rampant use of the internet to foment violence and hate, and reinforce white supremacy is about more than any one personality

And it suggests solutions, which you have included in your post, which do not involve deplatforming, they involve transparency. It says, "Changing these dangerous dynamics requires more than just the temporary silencing or permanent removal", which I suppose you could read as advocating deplatforming as well as their proposals if you approach the article with the intent to find that view, but given the context of the rest of the article suggesting that deplatforming doesn't work, it seems more like the author is suggesting that deplatforming be replaced.

It's a pretty wishy-washy article overall, and I think its suggestions are a bit hollow without more specific steps to take, but it appears to go to great lengths to not specifically endorse deplatforming. Reading what they have said as a call for such action, rather than advocating alternative solutions to the issues faced by social media comes off as disingenuous IMO.

[TeeMassive]

The article explicitly calls fore more, implying in addition of. Mozilla's only reason of existing is Firefox and therefore their only way to enforce this kind of measures.

[verandaguy]

I didn't know about that, thanks for the link! I do agree with some of their points though: transparency in advertising and how algorithms pick content for users, as well as facilitating disinformation/misinformation research would be (in my mind) a pretty big win these days. Deplatforming's more dangerous in general, though.

I'll second EFF here though, they're fantastic.

[cbarrick]

Merely being owned by a Chinese investment group is not enough for me to distrust a company.

The allegations of predatory lending are cause for concern.

Still, the browser has been solid in my 7 days of use so far.

[apis_nearctica]

What are you afraid of a Chinese company doing with your data? Giving it to government agencies? Google already does that. If I had to choose personally I would much rather the CCP have my data than US three letter agencies. If you live in the US then the US government can do a lot more to you than China can.

[bayindirh]

My stance with any computer system I access which I didn't install from bottom-up is simple: "It's just someone else's computer".

When expectations are adjusted, country names doesn't make any difference. I don't trust any system I didn't install beyond a certain point.

[livre]

If you miss the old Opera UI/UX then Otter may be a decent replacement. If you want what would have been the actual continuation of the old Opera then go for Vivaldi (made by some of the old Opera team members).

[Osiris]

Vivaldi is made by an original Opera cofounder and looks and feels very much like Opera 12 including a built in mail client.

[livre]

I didn't know they had a built in email client, they didn't have it last time I tried Vivaldi and that's why I eventually stopped using it. Thanks for that info.

[Sox4]

On Linux, there is a white line on top of all fullscreen pages (YouTube) [1], Downloads page doesn't work, video glitches out and the entire browser is unusably slow when you have many entries in your browsing history.

[1] https://forums.opera.com/topic/38628/why-is-there-a-white-st...