[benatkin]

Too much. It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. I'm going to continue thinking Facebook doesn't care about people, even when they're being killed by the thousands, and I'm more comfortable doing that as someone who uses Vue and Python and not Rust.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45449938

Edit: I realized I'm slowly getting into Deno, which is based on Rust, so I should probably just lean into Rust.

[fsociety]

Facebook contributes a ton to the Linux and Python communities as well, by this logic you shouldn’t use either.

Thinking that infrastructure engineers have direct influence over the product is wrong. Instead they work at Facebook because it is a good means to being paid lots of money to contribute to open source.

Btw, getting out of us vs. them mentality will form a healthier community and result in more positive changes. You can call Facebook on shit without generalizing against the employees who work there.

[DyslexicAtheist]

> You can call Facebook on shit without generalizing against the employees who work there.

I disagree. It's this behavior and lack of disinfectant (sunlight) that allows companies to get away with the amount of crimes against humanity they do. Saying "Tech" isn't political, or "I'm just an engineer somebody else is in charge" is how horror happens.

[fsociety]

I never said "Tech" isn't political, or that "I'm just an engineer somebody else is in charge". Both are true and we best take time to think of the moral implications of our work.

What I am saying, is that you should not generalize people just because they worked or currently work at a big tech company. This is as much a cognitive bias as thinking a company like Facebook only does good.

You have no clue why they work there, what they work on, or who they are.

[door101]

Facebook is one of the sponsors of the Python Software Foundation too. https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/

[benatkin]

Somehow they've managed to stay out of the news, while Rust has been endorsing BigCo's regularly for a while now...

[pdpi]

It’s more the other way around — big cos are endorsing Rust and joining the nascent foundation. It’s perfectly reasonable for a three month old foundation for a popular new language to be in the news quite a bit, and for its sponsors to enjoy the attention that goes with it

[lacker]

The Rust Foundation is really new, it just started in February. That's probably why you've been hearing a lot of news about corporate Rust sponsorships recently, or if not "a lot" then more than you've heard about, say, corporate Python sponsorships.

[cortesoft]

What does it mean for Rust to be endorsing BigCos?

[dangerbird2]

Not much other than reflecting the reality that BigCos are using rust in production, and as a result, have a vested interest in the project's governance. This is true for pretty much every popular language of software with an open governance model.

[DyslexicAtheist]

It means any Rust dev will be even less likely to open their mouth when Facebook does some horrible shit than what they already are.

[tjpnz]

>It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company.

As someone who already views the Facebook brand as a toxic waste dump this won't do anything to change my mind.

If they want to sponsor Rust more power to them. It's not as if it's going to change anything for the average user.

[xiphias2]

https://www.python.org/sponsors/application/

Meet with the PSF Board of Directors Opportunity to meet with the PSF Board of Directors to discuss a topic of your choosing. The health and sustainability of our community is important to many organizations and we want to make sure community needs are heard and noted.

For visionary sponsors:

Meet with the Python Steering Council Opportunity to meet with the Steering Council to discuss technical aspects of Python or feedback you may have, or just a Q&A with the Steering Council. The health and sustainability of Python is critical to many organizations and we want to make sure community needs are heard and noted.

https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/

[qlfail]

I'm sure the "visionary" sponsors represent "community" needs perfectly! Translation:

"Buy yourself into an obedient hiring pool controlled by the Steering Council."