[simion314]

Sure, but can you take a short pause and parse what you say:

"I personally love it how Apple is taking my freedom, I love it so much that I want to force Apple rules on everyone else."

The fact you like current Apple rules and you got scared by some FUD should not make you entitled to ask other to stop fighting for more freedom(my family have Android phones and they did not installed any other store, side loaded apps or got hacked). Apple could give the iPhone locked and give you a code on a paper you can use to unlock, you can FUD your parents to never use the code, you can burn the code, you can also not side load applications. You could also demand dear Apple to implement some safe sandboxing/jail where you can be safe to run anything, I heard they have enough money so maybe they could pay better those security engineers that keep finding bugs in their shit.

[gonehome]

You're missing the core value. It's not hacks, it's policy.

Apple leverages their power against app devs and for their customers.

- IAP, Apple ID, No Tracking, Notification Control, etc.

In a world where Apple doesn't have leverage via the store they can't enforce these things. App devs would ship outside of the store and include whatever crap they wanted. This is a worse experience and there is no 'choice' available for the users to pick a better one.

Apple is effectively acting as a legislator here, improving the quality of apps via their leverage in the interest of their users. It's a standard I'm willing to pay extra for and enforces good standards around privacy. The government law makers are largely owned by regulatory capture and lack of technical ability - why would we destroy the ability for one company that actually has incentives aligned with their users to enforce standards?

If Apple loses that leverage we lose that high quality option - you can't have it both ways because the leverage is what allows the incentive control.

People that don't care about it should use Android.

[simion314]

This argument is FUD. Until Epyc games had the courage to complain I could have asked you to name an example and you would not find anything that is not on Google Play with exception of maybe Free Software.

If this is not FUD do you have a source that shows that thousands of poor grandmas that have Android were forced to side load Farmville and if this happened what was the damage (except that some bilionaires made a few less millions)

[gonehome]

Android app store doesn't have the same review process or restrictions so it's not really a relevant comparison.

If Google tried to enforce more policy app devs would use other stores/side load.

In hostile countries the google play store is usually not present at all.

[simion314]

>In hostile countries the google play store is usually not present at all

Isn't this a good thing? In countries like China you could force Apple to spy and censor users where Android users can side load applications from trusted sources.

>If Google tried to enforce more policy app devs would use other stores/side load.

What kind of policies ? Any example of such policies? GUI/UX stuff or you mean policies where you can't link to a donate page because Apple wants that sweet tax, I think you are not ready to admit that you are spreading FUD, reality does not match and you are still building a fantasy.

[gonehome]

Phones in China are owned at the network and software level - you can’t safely side load anything. I’m not sure Apple is safe here either, but I’d guess the security is better? Just guessing though based on reading what security people have blogged about the platforms.

For the policies - things like requiring better ID auth or blocking tracking or requiring IAP. I agree that the tax is bad and stated so elsewhere.

> “ I think you are not ready to admit that you are spreading FUD, reality does not match and you are still building a fantasy.”

This kind of rhetoric when you disagree with someone isn’t helpful and doesn’t change minds.

[simion314]

Sorry but not sure how I can make my point more clear. You created an hypothetical situation like "If Apple devices were not locked then for sure all the developers will remove their apps from the store and offer them from their own webpage to get around the big tax" my argument is that Android exist and this does not happen, so you should stop inventing hypotheticals and look at the reality,

Then you invented other hypothetical, something about developers will lower the bar of quality because the only reason all those popular apps in the store are of quality is because Apples high standards. This is also something that you imagine, most rejections I read about were about Apples greed and other such stupidity.

Maybe you are not spreading FUD because you are really scared, then it means the FUD worked on you, I am sorry , hopefully the reality I shown will calm you down a bit, my family are running Android phones and they did no sideload any application, there is an exception of a Huawei phone I got where they were forced not to put Google Play on it, I had some issues getting Youtube to work but except that app it works OK for my son.