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by hvdijk
1885 days ago
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For the first link: here, you're either not actually reading or being blatantly dishonest. Either way, shame on you, and I'm not going to respond to anything else you write after this message. Feel free to reply to get the last word in. I'm not taking the sentence out of context, "Keyloggers are a type of monitoring software designed to record keystrokes made by a user." is the whole damn definition. The rest of what follows is what that definition actually means, and impressive how you then conveniently leave the "However, they also have legitimate uses within businesses to troubleshoot, improve user experience, or monitor employees. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies also uses keylogging for surveillance purposes." out of it. For the rest, nobody, not myself, nor anyone else here, has suggested that keyloggers are not primarily used maliciously. Of course they are, we all know that. The whole question is whether it's possible for non-malicious keyloggers to also exist, or rephrased, whether the definition of keylogger inherently excludes anything non-malicious. You're only looking at what they refer to using that term, which will be almost exclusively malware, but that's not the point, you're not looking at how they're defining the term. |
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Here is your quote written to represent the link: "Keyloggers are a type of monitoring software designed to record keystrokes made by a user."
Here is that quote with the surrounding sentences:
"Keystroke logging software is one of the oldest forms of malware, dating back to typewriters. It's still popular and often used as part of larger cyber attacks. Keyloggers are a type of monitoring software designed to record keystrokes made by a user. One of the oldest forms of cyber threat, these keystroke loggers record the information you type into a website or application and send to back to a third party."
Now again tell me who is dishonest?
> they also have legitimate uses
No one disputed that. Your claim is the most common use of the term is not related to malware. Focus on the "most common" phrase you claimed - not the exceptional cases you're obsessing over.
Seems pretty clear the common usage is for malware, from this link, to web samples, to wiki and oxford definitions, to nearly every one of your links.
>nobody, not myself, nor anyone else here, has suggested that keyloggers are not primarily used maliciously
Also you
> "the common meaning of keylogger is not restricted to malicious software"
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The argument is not whether a program called a keylogger has other uses than malware. The argument is your claim that the most common usage of the term is not the criminal one.
And since you don't have a metric to base your claim "the common meaning of keylogger is not restricted to malicious software" on, you're right. We're done - your claim is nonsense and you cannot provide how you arrived (incorrectly) at what the common meaning is.