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by obscoth 1886 days ago
Yeah, why aren’t we destroying the environment in Europe more? This is a great question. Kids these days have it too easy. They barely get any lead in their water.
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We have the technology to deal with those byproducts. It just costs money and takes energy.
Then one answer is to impose tariffs on end services and products, on nations that don’t meet the same environmental concerns.

The tariffs should match the cost of said overhead.

Couldn't agree more. that would be a consistent position to hold as it wouldn't cause a net harm by driving manufacturing to places with terrible environmental records. It wouldn't be as good as sponsoring research and capital investment to create cleaner manufacturing processes, which would actually improve the situation.

The combination of rigid environmental/labor practices in the developed world with an equally fanatical devotion to unfettered cross-border capitol flows and 'trade' is systematically immiserating the West and leading to massive net environmental damage even though both of these goals: cosmopolitanism and environmentalism, are individually the darlings of western elites.

Yes.

It’s caused numerous cultural and environmental problems.

Look at the sad state of the US today.

We didn’t even have the production capability to make n-95 masks.

Meanwhile, company spokesmen tell us that if we want change we should push our legislators; while having wholesale monopolies on lobbyists who do everything they can to ensure offshoring is extremely profitable.

Which grows the warchest of those screwing us over that much more.

lol, "destroying the environment". News flash: shifting the environmental costs to China is not "saving the environment", it is just outsourcing the environmental damage to somewhere else, where more likely than not worse damage will occur than if the factory was located in Europe. If there was a general call to not use chips, it would be a different matter. But this is about personal sanctimony, not environmental impact.

Moreover the environment is not some fragile thing that is "destroyed" by a chip plant. So here, too, there is a lack of understanding about what is happening so that people can make claims of personal righteousness (and the "environment" is just a place-holder that can and is swapped out for other concerns that yield more self-righteousness credits per unit effort at the drop of a hat).

Obviously I don’t want industrial chemicals in China’s groundwater, either. You aren’t actually interested in good faith discussion, but you do seem to enjoy being angry, so keep doing that I guess.