[chillax]

But wouldn't you apply some of those refactorings in other languages too? Movings methods, refactoring out inner classes, removing/adding parameters to methods and constructors etc. It all adds up if the language has good support in your IDE.

I'm not a power user of vim, but perhaps there are some kind of extensions for some of these things there?

[babebridou]

I wish there was be something, actually, that would match what you can do with the Eclipse/Java combo for other languages.

Eclipse turns java into a ctrl-space fest. People yell at java for being verbose and statically typed, but all this verbosity is what allows an IDE such as Eclipse to exist. Just press ctrl+space and the verbosity turns into clarity and speed for both the programmer and the IDE.

I have more than a million lines of codes behind me since I learned how to program, 4 years ago. That's 250 thousand lines of working code per year, and I didn't even code more than half-time in java, and I can't type faster than 40wpm. I'm not advocating quantity vs quality, just saying that quantity becomes a completely irrelevant measure when you use Eclipse & Java, and that's very refreshing; you can keep coding long, dumb, and not performance-critical code while you think about another more important/complex section of your project, participate to a meeting, discuss stuff on the phone - you just set sail and let Eclipse do the hard rowing for you.

As for refactoring - delete a class named MyClass with a doStuff() method in a project, create a new interface MyClass with a doStuff() method in another project and another package, add this project as a dependency to the first project, select the first project, press ctrl+shift+O, et voila, every file was fixed, and it simply works within a few seconds even if there are a thousand sources referencing that MyClass. I'm not sure if there's any language/IDE that allows that sort of fast & furious refactor, but do tell!

What are other great IDE/language combos?

[Mavrik]

Other combos? Prehaps Visual Studio for C# with ReSharper. It even gives suggestions about folding loops into LINQ statements and simillar.

What I'm really disappointed is abysmal quality of IDEs for dynamic languages (Python and JavaScript for example). I know that's because of the language design, but writing code in those languages after coming from Java/Eclipse or VS2010/C# feels like I'm crippled.

[babebridou]

Unity3d has its own javascript-like language and introduced the keyword #pragma-strict - it enforces static typing within a script. I imagine an IDE could make good use of such toggle, for the best of both worlds.

http://unity3d.com/support/documentation/ScriptReference/ind...

[chillax]

Personally I prefer intellij due to good integration with maven, spring and hibernate out of the box. It's been some years since I tried out Eclipse, so I'm going to try out the latest release in some spare time since I now hear maven support is getting much better.

Jetbrains also have a (fairly) decent Ruby IDE as well. And also ok JS support in their software.

[Derbasti]

There are some, but Vim is a text editor at its core, not an IDE. It excels at editing text but it pretty much treats everything as such, too. It does not have much concept of 'code'.

[primitur]

refactor in vim:

    :g/\<sv\>/s//some_nicer_name/g

[jpitz]

That's not refactoring. That's a specific refactoring known as rename.

Rename is handy, and might even be the most often applied refactoring, but it's also the easiest to craft. Move Method, Pull Up, et al are useful and not as easy to craft.

Then there is the Move class refactoring, which, if integrated well with your source control system, is an almost magical time saver.