[Blumfid]

I don't want to kill someone. I don't know if or why a person became a murderer.

It could be their upbringing which should be the responsibility of the society and clearly the society failed.

It could be a medical issue. A biological one.

It could be that the murderer did nothing wrong in their worldview.

We have to understand this as a society. We have to teach it if people don't understand it.

[samatman]

That's fine, just understand that your moral intuition isn't universal.

If there were some device (which doesn't exist and maybe can't) which simply lights up with perfect accuracy when pointed at someone who tortured someone before murdering them, I would support instant execution of that person by firing squad.

I'm not willing to accept a 4% error rate however. I'm not sure how low it would have to go, but it's lower than it plausibly can.

This isn't some kind of lack of "understanding" on my part, and you're not going to "teach" me to feel the same way about this issue as you do. We have different values. So you'll have to content yourself with my being on the same side of the policy question for different reasons.

[Blumfid]

I thought about this topic for decades now.when I was 16 I thought you should murder a murderer.

I thought a lot about moral and ethics, the balance between being right and no right exists.

So I do believe your thinking can and might change in the future.

Your torture example still ignores the history of the torturer. Would you like to be killed after this from a society which had it easier and better then you and did not help you? Is that really fair to anyone?

Do you believe in a god? Would you assume jesus would let you in after that? (I'm not religious, I do think so that either it's a good god and it doesn't matter believing in her but your actions)

Do you believe that we are in a simulation? What if you wake up in your next life as a murderer?

There are so many potential thoughts which we haven't thought through that removing a murderer from society to prison is the best choice we have as long as it is a prison who tries to rehabilitate a person.

[jjk166]

I don't know how anyone can acknowledge that moral intuitions aren't universal while simultaneously believing their moral intuition can be used to justify the death penalty.