[dsnr]

You’re saying it like everyone can’t wait to live in a welfare state and having to provide for the “welfare” of others. I for one am not looking for anything else than good healthcare.

There’s nothing “tilted” for life when you struggle to make ends meet while paying sky-high rent and having no prospects of ever owning your home.

[martin_a]

> having to provide for the “welfare” of others.

It's only fair. Once you get old, the young and healthy will pay for your hospital stay, too, through the insurance mix.

But we could also just let you die because you can't pay the treatment.

You'll have to decide, there's no free cake in the end.

[dsnr]

I pay for my own healthcare insurance, as healthcare is not free in Germany. So your points are invalid as far as I’m concerned.

[martin_a]

Ah, that's fine.

Everybody will also pay for all the infrastructure you might be using and the others not.

[dsnr]

Non-welfare states also have infrastructure, so no worry about that.

[martin_a]

You know that there's more to the German social insurance system than public health insurance that you profit from now or later.

So it's just lame to frame it like that's the only thing.

[Rompect]

Literally "Who would build the roads" lmao

[martin_a]

Nah, there's much more than roads in a welfare state.

There's a nationwide pension fund, unemployment "insurance", long-term care insurance and what not. All of this is cross-financed in a mix by everybody who's paying into it.

Also: Lots of people switch from private health insurance back to public health insurance once they get old, because then costs are rising. A welfare state also supports those who have "suddenly" become poor so they had to make that switch... ;-)