[MR4D]

> The questions of ethics could only go as far as "wasting kernel community's time" rather than creating real world loop holes.

Under that logic, it's ok for me to run a pen test against your computers, right? ...because I'm only wasting your time.... Or maybe to hack your bank account, but return the money before you notice.

Slippery slope, my friend.

[nomel]

Ethics aside, warning someone that a targeted penetration test is coming will change their behavior.

> Under that logic, it's ok for me to run a pen test against your computers, right?

I think the standard for an individual user should be different than that for the organization who is, in the end, responsible for the security of millions of those individual users. One annoys one person, one prevents millions from being annoyed.

Donate to your open source projects!

[josefx]

> Ethics aside, warning someone that a targeted penetration test is coming will change their behavior.

They could discuss the idea and then perform the test months later? With the amount of patches that had to be reverted as precaution the test would have been well hidden in the usual workload even if the maintainers knew that someone at some point in the past mentioned the possibility of a pen test. How long can the average human stay vigilant if you tell them they will be robbed some day this year?

[bialpio]

That's why for pen testing, you still warn people, but you do it high enough the chain that the individual behaviors and responses are not affected.