[DC1350]

> Gamification will be rampant and will absorb people in to it.

When I see how much mundane grinding people are willing to do for video game rewards, it makes me wonder if status or cosmetics in a virtual world will ever be used in place of real compensation for work. Maybe as a gig economy thing? That would effectively give the world controllers the ability to create currency. Virtual economics are already huge and people work in them for fun.

[mc32]

There is so much abuse potential here. Psychologically, it has the potential to change what people are. They will be able to shape people as they see fit --just gamify to achieve whatever goal.

There is no need to confront all the blemishes and warts of actual reality when you can have a perfect universe customized to you pleasing all your psychological needs. Everyone can have their own reality they live in. You can live your life within VR. The more you live in VR, the less you need from actual reality. It's a perfect way to indoctrinate and manipulate people however you wish.

Anyone working on this should understand the consequences of their work down the road and get out and not contribute to this.

[XorNot]

Why should someone like you get to decide how anyone else chooses to spend their ~75 years of existence though?

This whole post is just a statement of intent to manipulate people through other means "for their own good".

[germinalphrase]

Imagine that Openwater.cc is successful, and we have the ability to extract and replay memories in full “lived experience” resolution. How many people might choose to spend their ~75 years “living” in the peak experiences of mankind rather than the mundane struggle of real life? Would that be a social paradigm we want to support, to allow?

[rootusrootus]

Given how willing my 8 year old is to watch someone else play video games instead of playing the game himself, I think you're on the right track here.

[XorNot]

You're still ultimately stating an intent to limit other people's freedom of thought and leisure "for their own good" - it's baked right into this idea.

If people choose to spend more time in the virtual then the physical, then that's a pretty good sign you've setup your society wrong and need to work on fixing that.

[mc32]

I don't think that's an apt conclusion. If you addict people to something psychologically it does not imply that thing is better than reality. You can get addicted mice to consume themselves to death via addition, is that better than whatever mouse reality is?

Conversely, an individual in an uncontacted tribe, do they miss out on this? Do they feel left out of anything modern? No. What about most people if they were dropped into an isolated tribe, how would they feel. Why so? Point is, you can deal with reality just fine, you don't need distraction. Distraction is a distraction from reality but is unnecessary and completely disconnects people from their selves.

Could we get a regular uncontacted tribesperson hooked on a VR future, you bet, even if they were living out their lives just fine before ---just as they could get addicted to hard drugs even if they did not need that before.

[germinalphrase]

“ You're still ultimately stating an intent to limit other people's freedom of thought and leisure "for their own good" - it's baked right into this idea.”

Where does free will absolutism end? The tip of my nose. Truthfully, I couldn’t care less on an individual level, so the concern is not “their own good”. Such a system would be the ultimate drug. The concern is species level. For instance, physical reproduction would be a dim, depressing shadow compared to the heights of ecstasy the system can produce on tap. Better ramp up that robot womb research...

[toomanybeersies]

> it makes me wonder if status or cosmetics in a virtual world will ever be used in place of real compensation for work

That already exists, unsurprisingly from Amazon: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/05/21/mission...