[plank_time]

How are they not being treated with humanity? They started with no skills or experience and were trained from scratch. How many jobs train on the job? Paid a good wage in an easy job and given a job for 2 years. Is that not humane and fair?

How much of your salary are you willing to give up so that these people get their job security?

[thethethethe]

Every job requires some amount of on the job training. FTEs of all levels at Google are practically useless for at least 6 months after they join, often requiring hours of training and 1-1s. It's pretty standard.

Yeah I agree that it sounds like a good deal until they fire you after two years and don't allow you to move up like they used to. These terminations are arbitrary, unnecessary, and legitimely harmful to people's lives, so no I don't think it's fair or humane.

I don't see why their initial skill level when they were first hired really matters here, people deserve to have job security based on current performance regardless of their initial conditions.

I don't see why I need to give up any of my salary for these people have job security. I'm sure a small portion of the funds allocated to stock buybacks should do. And, for the record, I already give 1% of my total comp to the union, which was created to protect people in situations like these

[908B64B197]

> and don't allow you to move up like they used to

Is there even a position to move up to?

> These terminations are arbitrary, unnecessary, and legitimely harmful to people's lives, so no I don't think it's fair or humane.

That's something they should bring to Modis, their employers. Also, do they operate any other data centers outside of Google ones?

[thethethethe]

> Is there even a position to move up to?

Yes, it is common for data center workers and tech support to move up to sysadmin or something similar sometimes even SRE.

They are given a 6 month trial period on a team to train and then go through the external interview process afterwards

> That's something they should bring to Modis, their employers

The whole point here is that they effectively work for Google, and Modis is a layer of indirection that enables Google to exploit them, so bringing this up to Modis is kind of besides the point

[908B64B197]

> Yes, it is common for data center workers and tech support to move up to sysadmin or something similar sometimes even SRE.

It sounds like they isolated tasks that are performed frequently enough and need no specialization and decided to outsource these. Maybe as a stopgap before they get completely automated.

I don't think these were ever intended as entry level to something else.

[thethethethe]

> I don't think these were ever intended as entry level to something else

They said in the article that there was a chance you could get hired into corporate originally but that process was removed.

> It sounds like they isolated tasks that are performed frequently enough and need no specialization and decided to outsource these. Maybe as a stopgap before they get completely automated.

Yeah but that doesn't mean we should be treating workers like shit