[xtracto]

The last company i worked for wanted to charge employees for laptops in case of accidental damage or loss (appart from a clause charging for negligent damage or loss).

I decided not to sign unless they removed the accidental part. In the end they removed it.

People dont realise but they have more power than they think. Specially in smaller companies.

Companies wait until the end of the interview to reveal all those nasty bits. But at that exact time, it's when they know they need you and they wa y you. Ask for your a copy of your contract before you decide. And feel free to comment on it. It is the only moment when you as an individual have the upper hand.

[grep_name]

> Ask for your a copy of your contract before you decide

Hmmm, usually when I change jobs it goes like this: apply for job -> receive offer letter -> make decision -> sign offer letter -> give notice -> wait out last two weeks -> sign a bunch more stuff on the first day of the job or during the last two weeks, usually including what I think of as the contract. I could be wrong, I'm trying to be more conscious of these things.

It seems like in this scenario, you might get hit with this info after you've turned in your notice with your current job. Did they really let you see everything you needed to sign before you turned in your notice? Is that a normal request?

[woofie11]

I always ask to review the paperwork before I make a decision.

It's never been a problem.

Now, I don't job hop a lot, so that's not a large sample size, but at least the companies I worked for all let me review paperwork before deciding. Not all let me change it, but many did. It's not strictly a function of company size either.

And if they don't let you review it, that's a sign too. If someone is using information asymmetry against you, it's a bad sign. Likewise, if you're getting an offer, and you know you have 100,000 stock options, but no idea the size of the pool, it's probably not a place you want to work.

First job out of college, you'll probably get fleeced, and that's probably okay -- you're mostly building your resume and learning -- but most of the time, you should hold your employers to reasonable expectations.

I should also mention -- you learn a lot talking to lawyers. Part of the upside is reviewing your new contract, and part, it's an educational expense. The more you learn on your own going in before talking, the less you'll spend, and the more you'll get out.