[alboy]

You can get somewhat faster results using steroids (provided you are a decent responder and don't experience strong sides), sure. However, the overwhelming majority of people complaining about (often hypothetical) drug users are not putting in even minimal effort and haven't taken the time to learn how to train properly. I'm unconvinced that this is anything but a way to protect their ego and simultaneously feel cheated of the god-like bodies they would most assuredly have if it wasn't for their superior morals and judgement. It comes as no surprise that those very people don't get anywhere once they hop on gear, which is something I've witnessed firsthand a few times.

[amznthrowaway5]

It's not just somewhat faster, the difference is often huge. You shouldn't let your personal experiences and anecdotes get in the way of the science here, what you wrote earlier about steroids only aiding recovery for people who put in large amounts of work was ridiculous.

[alboy]

I don't see how it is ridiculous. Can you get a great body with hard work and intelligent programming without anabolic steroids? Yes. Can you get it without hard work and with anabolic steroids? No [cue that one study where they gave test to people for ten weeks and they gained a few kilos of water and glycogen weight]. Can you become a mass monster without either? No. Now what I personally find ridiculous is how people complaining about "unrealistic bodies" prefer to promote unrealistic expectations of what AAS do instead like they're some sort of black magic.