[Viker]

Yehhh... yehhh.. naaahhh...

Rich people dont work so much... They just make so much money sitting around with other rich people they might as well call it work...

If you work in wall-mart your lunch is not paid. If you are the CEO of wall-mart you can expense a 2000 USD lunch and call it a buissness meeting.

If your job is number collection (realestate, banking, etc ) it is an addiction just like hoarding, the more you do it the more bigger number you want.

We should start shaming people for hoarding money just like we shame the poor for collecting toilet paper.

Working 12 hours as a CEO is not comparable to 12 hours shift in the factory.

[echelon]

> Working 12 hours as a CEO is not comparable to 12 hours shift in the factory.

I challenge you to find an appropriate replacement for each job.

[Viker]

Ok here is a breakdown for an 8 hour shift of a project manager vs rockwool factory worker.

Project manager: 8:30-9: Show up in office. Get coffe.

9-10:30: Check email.

10:45: Standup Meeting.

11-12: Lunch

12:30-2.00: Sprint Planning meeting

2.00-4.00: Help team and answer emails.

4:15: Go home.

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Factory Worker: 6:55- Be ready and changed on post on the line:

7:00- Line take over and work:

9:00-9:10: Coffe Break.

9:10- 11:30 : Line work. Clean up some shit with no protection.

11:30-12:10 : Lunch Break.

12:10-1:30 : Line work.

1:30-1:40 : Coffe Break

1:40 - 3 : Line Work.

3:00 - 3:30 ( not payed ) : Change and go home

--- To clarify: There is no chairs on the line. So Line works means your standing....

Both jobs can be done by anyone,

But only one of the jobs requires you to have friends and kiss ass. Guess which ?

[echelon]

How did CEO become "project manager"?

And do you have any idea how complicated being a product manager is? You have to deeply understand your entire team's footprint, blockers, other teams, industry trends.. It's hard work. Plus you manage timelines and have to de-risk every single day.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

A factory worker takes a day or week to train.

A product manager takes years to change.

A CEO is learning every single day, doing the PM job for the company + hiring + managing relationships + so much more. If they don't, their company is dead. They're steering a giant ship by wire.

[Viker]

Well if you take a look at the project managers in for example... Accenture.. Most of them have none of the skill you mentioned. They just have been at the right place at the right time... They know what ass to kiss and go along their days happily double clicking on the internet and overselling government it projects....

Alot of the same can be said about many startup ceos.

Just take a look at all the crypto startups that made millions in 2017-2018

[0dayz]

I dare you to not kiss ass and not have friends when working in a factory and see how well you'll survive typical work politics.