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by winstonchecksin 1889 days ago
We had BLM protests in my city. I’m all for the message behind it, but they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows. Should have taken advantage of the lax work from home policy and should have stayed home I guess? I’m no fan of the actual “organization” or the people behind it though, and it’s sad FB is actively censuring information.
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jokethrowaway 1889 days ago
Nobody disagree with the message: of course, all lives matter. Everyone is also fine with the peaceful protesting (I mean actual peaceful protesting, not CNN's meaning of peaceful, which already became a meme).

Whoever seek to loot, destroy and coerce people into stupid acts needs to be condemned. BLM leaders didn't condemn the violence, which make the BLM movement just a bunch of terrorists, same as Antifa.

It doesn't matter how cute or righteous the name of your organisation, actions speak louder.

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AlexTWithBeard 1889 days ago
> Nobody disagree with the message: of course, all lives matter

You may be surprised, but quite a few people do disagree with what you've just said: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12136140/black-all-lives-matte...

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jokethrowaway 1889 days ago
That's just a politicisation of the message to create further division among people who are not racist. Same thing as calling people nazi (so you can feel entitled to punch them).

I think that philosophically most people agree that all lives matter and behave accordingly. Who doesn't is definitely a problem, albeit they're a minority.

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dragonwriter 1889 days ago
> Nobody disagree with the message: of course, all lives matter.

People do, in fact, disagree with the message, both on the level of the slogan, and on the level of the substance (which is not merely “Black lives matter at all”, but “Black lives matter much more than thet are treated as mattering by status-quo systems, necessitating urgent and immediate reform.”) Both the “All Lives Matter” as a dismissive generic, and the “Blue Lives Matter” inversion of the argument on who is undervalued, at least in the police vs. Black context which is the most common focal event of BLM protests, reflect.

I mean, some Republicans in Congress just founded a fairly overtly White nationalist caucus, which they wouldn’t do if they weren’t secure in the idea that White nationalism was a winning position with their base and donors. White racism is deeply ingrained in American society and institutions, and plenty of peple see that as a feature not a bug, and plenty more see it as a non-urgent concern that doesn’t touch their interest even though it is abstractly suboptimal.

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tootahe45 1889 days ago
> I’m all for the message behind it

> they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows

Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message.

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kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 1889 days ago
> Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message.

Well, they tried, but FB kept removing relevant links…

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monoideism 1889 days ago
> Hopefully this caused you to do more research on the message.

Well, they've gone underground with many of their goals due to public outcry. You'll have to use archive.org to see their true goals for our society. They've pulled most of them off their website.

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gher-shyu3i 1889 days ago
The cofounders already claimed their "trained Marxists", then removed it from their website.
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winstonchecksin 1889 days ago
What research do I need to do? We paid to fix one of the vehicles out of pocket but had to file an insurance claim on the other, and our premiums went up because every window was smashed, including one of the mirrors.

This is a bad faith response, and I’m going to assume you’re a troll and not engage any further. Good luck!

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TomSwirly 1889 days ago
> they smashed up mine and my husbands car windows

Who are "they"? I'm serious in this question.

Do you have the idea that these demonstrations are somehow carefully organized and that BLM upper management gave the instructions to break your windows specifically?

It is not the case.

The police kill some Black American in some particularly awful or gratuitous way.

It enrages a lot of people, as you would expect.

Many angry people take to the streets. They are not organized, for the most part. The vast majority are completely peaceful. Some of them aren't as is always the case.

Some of them hold signs saying, "Black Lives Matter".

Someone broke your window during these demonstrations. If I had to bet, it would be some young, angry person. Black Lives Matter did not make this happen, and if they didn't exist, people would still take to the streets when one of their own is murdered publicly by the authorities.

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There is no "they" there. I recommend a broader and more nuanced view of the situation.

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winstonchecksin 1889 days ago
“They” is BLM. These people held BLM signs. And I never heard or saw any BLM leader come out and condemn these terrorists. You know it’s really interesting that you post these mental gymnastics to shift the blame away from the criminals, trying to tell me, the victim, that I’m in the wrong.

Please go troll somewhere else.

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