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by csa 1895 days ago
First, I am discussing low-SES schools in the US. It can be very different in other countries, especially Asian countries (first hand experience seeing this).

That said, in the US, many people (Asians included) can go to shitty schools and still succeed. Their success is despite the formal education they got at a low SES school, not because of it.

Generally when you see elite school success from students from low-SES areas, it is due to substantial intervention at home and/or extracurricular education/tutoring.

You ask why it is a handicap. If they could get quality education during school hours, their extracurricular hours could be used for deeper study or more interesting endeavors (e.g., research projects).
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amznthrowaway5 1895 days ago
There are lots of Asians that grow up poor in the US and excel at far higher rates than poor African-Americans. There isn't really much evidence that SES has a large impact on things like SAT scores, I doubt it would affect being able to do well at Harvard (which I've heard is actually very easy once you get in).
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whimsicalism 1895 days ago
> There are lots of Asians that grow up poor in the US and excel at far higher rates than poor African-Americans.

What do you think explains the difference?

> which I've heard is actually very easy once you get in

Very dependent on what classes you take.

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amznthrowaway5 1895 days ago
> What do you think explains the difference?

The Asians, at least the ones who come to the US, being a far more elite group in terms of genes for academic success.

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whimsicalism 1895 days ago
LOL and you got mad at me for saying that you were "dogwhistling" earlier.

I call it as I see it, and I'm generally not wrong.

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amznthrowaway5 1895 days ago
I don't see what's wrong with suggesting genes are causing the gap. I'm not "dogwhistling" anything, this is the most powerfully supported scientific explanation. Science denialism seems to be extremely common on this forum. Genes definitely cause other gaps like sports gaps (or do you seriously believe that is because of racism in favor of blacks?) and are known to play a huge role in ability. Even if races have equal ability, do you seriously believe the extreme selection process for elite immigration won't affect outcomes?
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