[nickjj]

> But almost no one writes php alone. Maybe hobbyists or Wordpress users.

What about that one guy who made https://remoteok.io/ using a single PHP file with no frameworks or libraries?

According to this live chart https://remoteok.io/open he made $88,000 last month from it alone with a 90%+ profit margin.

But more importantly it's a site that technically functions well and looks appealing. End users really don't care about which tech stack you used to build your site, they just want it to be fast, look nice and be easy to use which is achievable with pretty much any language or framework nowadays.

[joelbluminator]

I don't know what this proves. Most people who talk to a db and grow their app will go for a framework, are you disputing that fact?

[_bhlv]

It 'proves' that a lot of people, yours truly included, do not use frameworks