[ceilingcorner]

I don't really know why you're arguing with me. I'm just trying to explain the situation.

With your focus on self-determination: if Ukraine allowed specific regions to hold referendums, it is very likely that many regions would opt to join Russia. Then what?

As I have said numerous times now: it is complicated.

[sergeykish]

Please stop spreading lies. Nothing complicated.

Only fools wants to Russia what it become today. State without justice and fair elections, incredibly poor population, no allies.

They've claimed they are "brothers". We were not ready to fight in 2014, not ready to kill "brothers". Now we know who they are. This war affected everyone in Ukraine. Every citizen have seen struggles and poverty caused by war. We know what become of Donetsk and Luhansk. They are going to destroy other cities too. That's not brothers, that's worst enemies.

My mother language in Russian. Now I hate Russia.

[ceilingcorner]

Pro tip: If you ever want to have a genuine discussion with someone, don’t start off by saying they are “spreading lies.”

[sergeykish]

I would understand your comments in 2014. Since than we know so many facts. And the last one — you are commenting on full blown war by Russia on Ukraine territory. Like if bullets knows are we Russian enough. That's selective blindness. Sorry, no hope for genuine discussion.