[shakow]

> Patton was a fan of doing exactly that: he was probably right

Yeah, sure, good luck beating the RKKA in 1945. No A-bombs ready, industry centers are behind the Urals and untouchable by the allied air power; absolutely 0 support from the civilian populations in the West, whereas the Soviet civilian population would be galvanized by the backstabbing; the UK is already at the end of its manpower; the US would be fighting an ocean behind its logistic base; the RKKA is in full swing in Europe and overwhelming the WAllies in the ETO in men and material; best case is the WAllies get thrown to the Atlantic and a white peace is signed, worst case ends in a nuclear apocalypse.

Operation Unthinkable is very fun in wargaming, but it doesn't hold water in practice.

> look at all the suffering that would have been avoided (Holodrome, etc.)

The Holodomor that happened 10 years BEFORE 1945? Do you even have any idea what you're talking about?

[captainredbeard]

...thank you for the correction Holodomor timing.

[publicola1990]

Also 'Holodomor' is somewhat of a political creation. Recent authoritative biography of Stalin by Stephen Kotkin, for example states that the early 1930s famine was a pan-soviet famine, not restricted to Ukraine or any specific ethnic region.