[mith__]

> > Depends on what you mean by cruft

As the one who asked that:

That wasn't even aimed at sawyer for one.

For the other it was an honest question because Perl has a LOT of cruft both in the code, in the tooling, in the docs, in the design and the syntax. As such it was important to ask which cruft the person was referring to before being able to answer.

The existence of cruft is not in any possible way in question for anyone involved. The only questions are: Which cruft are you talking about? Why do you think it's a problem? Do the people who touch said cruft daily agree it's a problem for <implementation of x> at the current point in time?

Now note also how the above compares to sawyer's central claim in his email:

> I had dared to say that people in Core recognize there is cruft in the language

And consider that such disconnects marked his communications for almost a year now.