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by optimuspaul 1894 days ago
it's not ironic if you really understand socialism.
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parineum 1894 days ago
Patreon seems like a very libertarian environment to me. I'm not sure how I could see it any differently.
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loopercal 1894 days ago
A lot of the original libertarians were...socialists. The term today has been rebranded to mean strictly anarcho-capitalists but it originally included anarcho-communists and libertarian socialists.
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parineum 1893 days ago
Well, I'm using the word as it is used today. That doesn't really address my confusion.

Patreon is a world were value produced is both determined and rewarded by a free market of consumers choosing where to spend their money.

I do find it ironic that a socialists are at the top of the Patreon food chain and yet the comment:

> it's not ironic if you really understand socialism.

says I shouldn't. I'm looking for someone to explain to me why.

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wizzwizz4 1894 days ago
Many socialist-adjacent philosophies are anticapitalist. Hence, the irony.

Yes, yes, I know that it's not hypocrisy for anticapitalists to use money. I also know that not all socialists are anticapitalist. Still ironic.

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false-mirror 1894 days ago
A not-anti-capitalist socialist is not a socialist. TLDR: Capitalism is when production is determined by people holding capital. Socialism is when production is determined by the members of society. So the question being, should an economy be democratic or run by the rich.So long as socialists workers work democratically, there is no hypocrisy in earning money.
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wizzwizz4 1894 days ago
Even the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism says you're right. Huh. TIL.
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jessaustin 1894 days ago
Some people seem to conflate capitalism with free enterprise. A deeper study would reveal them to be near opposites.
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tshaddox 1893 days ago
I bet they subsist on food that was produced via capitalist enterprise too. Not ironic.
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