[jariel]

It's partly a social signal. I live in Quebec and the notion of 'curfew' has a very eerie and ominous 'feel' like nothing ever in my life.

I feel it's more powerful than the time we were seeing NYC hospitals blow up in COVID disaster.

It's 'over there' when it's on TV ... but when you 'have to get home by 8' it a visceral effect.

To the point wherein never before have I truly contemplated the authoritarian nature of the order - though I'm fully sympathetic to the Provincial Leaders trying to stop mass death, it's pretty scary that this can happen and the Supreme Court ruling on the case that was brought before them was really scant. Basically, the Judges said 'it's for the good of the people and proportional so it's ok' - but there's basically zero in the way of parameterized logic, precedence, or specific legality to all of it.

As far as the Health Officers supposedly miscommunication information, I suggest that these are intelligent people, and that obviously there's still not as much consensus as the comment implies.

'Gaslight of Science' I think is better exemplified by those denying COVID or vaccines.

[mardifoufs]

The government of Québec mismanaged the crisis to a phenomenonal level. Literally thousands of deaths were directly caused by that mismanagement (from the catastrophic handling of nursing homes) even with a population that was (and still is) one the most compliant to the restrictions.in the world . But we still are blamed and pusnished by the government for "slipping up" and not being responsible while we all know no one in the government will be held accountable for the CHSLDs collapsing and Quebec having some of the worst outcomes in the world. That's who's gas lighting here, not a very tiny group of fringe weirdos with almost 0 impact denying covid.

[jariel]

"Quebec having some of the worst outcomes in the world"

This is completely false, Quebec actually has some of the better outcomes in the civilized world. [1]

Better than US, France, UK, Poland, Spain, Sweden - it's about the same as Switzerland and a little worse than Germany.

Where is your evidence of mismanagement?

The initial pandemic broke out and given that Quebec is the place in NA with the highest degree of 'socialized elderly care' - it's not unreasonable that the initial shock was higher, but after that 'first wave' of deaths in LTC - since June - the rate has been about the same as Canada, which is among the best in the world.

The populist blame is ridiculous - everyone whines about their own governments without providing any material evidence, because frankly in most cases there is none.

"CHSLDs collapsing" - is plainly false.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_...

[mardifoufs]

Please, are you actually comparing us to sweden? Yeah I hope we have better numbers than an open country. And even then the numbers are only slightly different and they were mostly from long term care too. But why not compare us to Norway or Denmark? Shouldn't we also be running circles around those unruly, not locked down freedumbz loving floridians or science denying Swedes after a year of never ending "mesures de santé publique" ?

Are you actually denying that the CHSLD system completely collapsed? Dude. What? People were left to die in their feces and from hunger, the army was called to help out, bodies of abandoned covid deaths were just left there for a while. Private CHSLDs like Herron got literally ghosted by the healthcare agency overseeing them and stopped replying to emails begging the for help. Healthcare staff had to work without PPE, hospitals were left to their own for the first few weeks back in March. Like I'm not even sure here if you have any clue of what has happened in early March because there's no way you could the CHSLD system didn't collapse and weren't mismanaged otherwise. That's something even Legault admits. But since we are on HN I'll assume good faith and address your other points

Okay so no it's absolutely unreasonable that the shock was that much higher. You are repeating more government talking points. because that's just what it is: depending on what week it is we always get a different excuse. It's either young people or spring break or people travelling or Christmas parties or a uniquy old population or the elusive covid deniers driving infection numbers up. It never ends. The truth is nothing about our situation was truly unique or unique enough to explain what we saw.

Also FWIW, Florida has an older population and is doing either better or pretty similar to us so yeah that doesn't make sense either. Why does it matter if the elderly care is socialized or not? Can't the government protect its patients more than the private sector in Florida can?

[sudosysgen]

>'Gaslight of Science' I think is better exemplified by those denying COVID or vaccines.

The Quebec governmnent's refusal to publish public health guidance on decisions that experts think are ineffective while insisting that they are based on evidence definitely qualifies as gaslighting science.

>It's partly a social signal. I live in Quebec and the notion of 'curfew' has a very eerie and ominous 'feel' like nothing ever in my life.

It was also a strong social signal to everyone I know that the handling of the crisis was aestheticized and politicized as there was no evidence of it's efficacy. Certainly for some it had a chilling effect, for many it led to a complete loss of trust in a government that was already playing fast and loose with rigor and trustworthiness.