[zaat]

> Allowing arbitrary clients to globally capture keys at will is impossible to do without opening up a hole for keyloggers.

Is this feature standard on every OS in use by human kind today? Is this feature requested by most users and not having it pisses off most users? Is this feature available on the system that Wayland aims to replace?

[taway098123]

All of those questions are really irrelevant. The point with Wayland is to make something that's more secure than the systems it aims to replace, not to make exactly the same thing. If you want to help, maybe show a way this can be done without poking a huge security hole?

Regarding pissed off users, in my experience most computer users are used to Microsoft Windows and get pissed off when things don't work exactly like that, so unless you work for Microsoft then it's a lost cause trying to please them all.

[zaat]

I'm working with i3 (on X, obviously). Perhaps I'm diluted but my experience is that users of this setup are happy about their setup and love the system they use.

I don't know of any way an Ethernet device can be truely secured, perhaps it should be disabled until a solution is found. I couldn't care less about a system that is more secure if it massively interfere with day to day usability.

[taway098123]

There's plenty of ways to securely multiplex Ethernet devices. You don't give your web server read access to all TCP ports being used by other services for example. You only let it open the HTTP ports. There are of course ways for debuggers to escape this and intercept all TCP packets sent by the kernel, but those require elevated privileges.

[kaba0]

Sway is in top-up form and is basically just i3 on wayland. Even the config is largely compatible, so do give it a try, if you haven’t (recently)!

[zaat]

I tried it not long ago. It's ok, took me some time to overcome some issues but got it to work, then, when I started actually working I met the same issues regarding screenshots, remote control/screen sharing and decided to stay with i3 while I can.

[michaelmrose]

If you don't have any users you will soon find yourself without developers so it is in fact quite relevant.

[taway098123]

That seems like the reverse of the way it's always been on Linux, where there are only developers and no users...