[washadjeffmad]

So we don't exclude them to make a point, that's also true for Mac and PC laptops.

My XPS 15 wifi won't wake automatically after sleep on Windows. Wifi works perfectly on Linux, but there are things that don't work with the touchscreen in tablet mode on Fedora that I've been told work on Ubuntu.

My T2 MacBooks are little nightmares sometimes, fans screaming during video meetings and crashing and draining battery instead of sleeping, and I still haven't seen a compelling reason to give up my 2015 13". If the second gen M-series solves the weirder problems, maybe.

[matwood]

> So we don't exclude them to make a point, that's also true for Mac and PC laptops.

The 2016-2019 mbp have been ripped on by everyone, Mac fan or not. I'm not sure if they will go down as the worst Macs of all time, but it might the longest stretch of bad Macs in the history of the Mac.

With the M1 that time appears to be over - finally.

[m463]

Reinstalling a T2 machine can be a real cat and mouse game, especially if 2fa is involved.

  security = 1 / convenience