[midrus]

Not my experience at all. Thinkpads are the one with the best support, but there are always problems with high DPI screens, plugging external monitors, suspending some times works some times doesn't, battery drains really quick, the trackpad just barely works (gestures, hardly work).

I feel the only people that say Linux works great on a laptop is because A) it manages to boot it and 2) Never used a MacBook Pro or similar so they don't know what something working well means.

I'd love to use a linux laptop and I've used it many years in the past, but not going back this year. It is not ready yet for my expectations.

[bradfa]

I've used Linux mostly on IBM/Lenovo ThinkPads and Dell Latitudes. Overall I've had great success. Drivers work, suspend and hibernation work, plugging in monitors just works, wifi works, and battery life is decent enough.

My current benchmark for laptop integration is a Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 that my previous employer bought me with Windows 10. It had a high-DPI screen and there were so many bugs it wasn't even funny. The touchpad was horrible to use. Connecting and disconnecting external monitors was a fun adventure not unlike playing roulette to see if the big presentation you're about to make will ever show on the projector.

Overall, I'd say my Windows and Linux experiences on laptops has been about equal in terms of frustration and annoyance. I haven't had a Mac since like 2007 when I got rid of my G4 PowerBook which was probably the most polished laptop I've ever used in terms of hardware/software just working-ness.

Windows 10 is a mess. It makes Linux on a laptop much easier to bear :)

[midrus]

I think the real advantage of Apple is that they're building both, the hardware and the software.

I'm very skeptical we will ever see such a good integration in the linux or windows world because there isn't any single entity doing both.

My ideal situation would be a Macbook Pro running linux to the perfection, or just having MacOS open source. I don't think I'm going to see any of this in my lifetime.

[KptMarchewa]

>Thinkpads are the one with the best support, but there are always problems with high DPI screens

Had no problems plugging my 4k LG CX with at 1440p@120Hz mode, which is kinda more than I managed to do with Mac.

>Never used a MacBook Pro or similar so they don't know what something working well means

Nope. Used three different macs over course of 4 years due to fact that three employers provided me them. I hated those machines, especially constant overheating issues when using external monitors. Maybe M1 fixed that, but they still won't offer it with 16' ones.

Also hated the UI with burning passion. Only thing that made it usable is the fact that maximizing window switches the window to a different "workspace". If only those were numbered, persistently assigned to monitors and windows could be configured to only spawn on particular workspaces it would be pretty nice though.

One thing I really liked though is retina display on two later ones.

[vetinari]

> 2) Never used a MacBook Pro or similar so they don't know what something working well means.

On the contrary; if you use all three systems, you realize, that all of them have quirks. You just got used to them, so you don't get disturbed to them, but the quirks of the system you don't use regularly will get noticed quickly.

For example, only with the above-mentioned MacBook Pro I experienced a situation, where I'm connected to the wifi, unless suddenly I'am not, all network packets go to null and to get connected again, I have to reboot the machine. Or the machine randomly not waking up from sleep, when connected to TB dock. Or - new on M1 - machine kernel panicking, the menu bar getting non-responsive or not recognizing ethernet adapter in the TB dock at all.