[carmen_sandiego]

Whether they're form China seems pretty irrelevant. You could very well make the opposite case that people from China know even less about its actual KPIs.

It's trivial to pick a relevant metric and look up the median value for China. A quarter of the people there live on less than $5/day. They're not swanning off to do a Masters at MIT any time soon. They're not even able to move to the better cities within China, for the most part.

This person is a total anomaly. Taking them as representative is quite ridiculous and rather insulting to the hundreds of millions "with a K-12 education" that somehow are still living in abject poverty with no opportunities. It's an arbitrary and meaningless claim to make. It's like saying China and America have the same hygiene standards because most people in both places have access to soap.

[azurezyq]

I would say K-12 education and unemployment are different issues here, do you agree with that? For the latter that's another story and I agree it's more complicated.

Weren't we talking about education?

[carmen_sandiego]

Sure, I'm really saying that it's fine to be K-12 educated but it doesn't seem to be translating into further educational opportunities for most people. They often don't go from K-12 to university, rather they go into some not great job and never get such opportunities. Same happens in the West of course, just to a lesser degree.

[Daho0n]

That doesn't change the fact that all tests and statistics shows Chinese students are better educated than American counterparts. Since more Chinese are in poorer schools those numbers are loop sided against Chinese students which make it even worse.

But that you think you both know better than a Chinese person and didn't even bother to put in some links to facts (unlike those liked that disagree, like the Pisa test) says enough.

[mercutio2]

The PISA scores are not for “China”. They’re for a tiny percentage of China’s population, living in the wealthiest districts, with the most sought after 户口.

The gathered statistics are in no way comparable to Western countries which gather scores from all districts, rich and poor alike.

[carmen_sandiego]

You're conveniently circling an arbitrary part of the chart and saying 'look over here!' but it's disingenuous.

For example, Chinese tertiary attainment is half that of the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tertiary_...

Again, soap and hygiene. Since when do we compare education levels only on basic literacy and numeracy?

[Daho0n]

Since Americans started leaving schools without knowledge of basic English skills. We were talking about English skills, not how top universities fare in tests.

[carmen_sandiego]

> We were talking about English skills

No, 'educated' was the term used. I'm not sure why you would think we're only talking about basic 'English' skills.