[challengly]

> People were no longer aligned or empowered, and the incentive system was changed to basically destroy engineering culture.

Same with Google. The intentional misrepresentation and ousting of Damore was a turning point where engineering culture was run over by activist culture.

[tolbish]

Would you argue that the outsing of Gebru and others is a turning point where engineering culture is running back over activist culture?

[challengly]

That's pushback, but engineers haven't reclaimed the culture and are mostly still silent and afraid.