[nxc18]

The way leftists approach fixing systemic issues is fundamentally incompatible with actually changing anything. The smart leftists work towards positive change by doing disgusting things like engaging in compromise and working with people who aren’t ideologically pure; when they do such things they inadvertently reveal themselves to be something far more horrible, like a liberal or a progressive-but-not-progressive-enough.

Can you explain what exactly you want to see and how burning anything or tearing down statues accomplishes that? As far as I can tell, all it accomplished was status quo, with a lot more people feeling threatened by leftists.

[TameAntelope]

Taboo on the word "leftists". You're otherizing, I don't think it's helpful.

I don't see the people you're referring to as being in the driver's seat of any meaningful change that's actually being considered in a way that might actually lead to implementation.

[nxc18]

Yes, exactly, they are not in the drivers seat because they systematically choose not to be in the drivers seat.

I don’t know if its necessarily wrong to otherize the people who smash windows in my community, spray paint graffiti on the walls (Land Back! Pigs must die! Kill cops! Rent is theft!). If anything, I think they have chosen to make themselves the enemy of the community they live in by refusing to productively engage with it.

Its really frustrating seeing people who purport to want progress actively destroy community will to make progress on things. They make things a lot harder for the people who are trying to make good changes happen.

[TameAntelope]

I think it's always wrong to otherize, though I get your frustration.

It's fairly interesting to me to see this relatively small group of people causing fairly limited damage be the focus of so much attention, rather than the ideas and concepts of more influential (and therefore relevant) social justice advocates.

It's noisy and grabs your attention yes, but I think it's a mistake to think of it as representative of anything other than the specific people causing the damage.

[MisterBastahrd]

They're doing a damned poor job of being threatening given how popular they've been on a national political level in the US.

[watwut]

If left wing does something wrong, it is left wing fault. If right wrong does something wrong, or is left wing fault because left made them do it.

But, it is never the case that right made left do something bad.