[majormajor]

I think we're all lucky that not everyone's goals are just to improve their own life, but that some people want to improve society too.

If you were ill you'd want the doctor who told you both "here's how to cope" and "here's how we cure this thing," not the one who stopped at the first.

[ceh123]

To quote from kiba's reply elsewhere in this thread:

>The problem is that systematic problems requiring systematic solution doesn't provide a framework for individual behavior in the meantime.

To twist your analogy around, it's more like having a doctor say "you probably got cancer because you lived next to a coal plant." Incredibly important information to have societally, should absolutely be considered and maybe even an have impact on policy. However, that does nothing for the patient today.

[watwut]

It does not take away anything from patient either. It may push him into changing place where he lives, so that further harm is prevented both to him and his family.

Also, if that is actual cause, it would be harmful for doctor to speculate about how patient harmed himself.

[esyir]

I think a major gripe I have with said movements is that they exclusively want the latter, to the point of hostility towards the former.

Example: the body-positivity/fat-acceptance movement, which is often hostile to the concept of "unhealthy body weight" and "losing weight".