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by SavantIdiot 1896 days ago
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Right. That's great: the richest employees of apple get richer, and the people doing the worst labor live in dorms and work 18 hour days.

> If the corporate tax rate was reduced to zero it would have zero reason to keep foreign profits offshore,

Again, you seem to be ignoring the abundant evidence. Trickle down has never worked. Corporate tax rates are the lowest they've EVER been (down from >80% in the early 80's) and money still flows out of the US.

Please, study history and try again.

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The vast majority of Apple dividends are paid to investors, not employees.

The "worst labor" are jobs that are so much better than typically brutal Chinese rural labor jobs that thousands of applicants stand in line for hours to get them. And Apple audits its labor practices, unlike solely owned Chinese companies.

And the corporate tax rate has never been 80% in the U.S. it was 40-46% in the 1980s and highest ever was 53% in late 1960s. And corporate tax rates were lower than todays rates for the first 163 years of U.S. history, they were first raised above 20% in 1940 to help fund the war.

And even though the current corporate tax rate is historically low, it's still an impediment to returning foreign profits. Repatriating foreign profits costs a minimum of 21%, more with state taxes. For companies it's still cheaper (and legal) to keep the profits in their foreign subsidiaries and wait for a repatriation window, or borrow against some of the deposits to pay dividends.

You should try studying history as well.

I don't think the argument is trickle down economics. The argument is that there is a race to the bottom and simply opting out from the race is the only way to win.

Trickle down doesn't work because republicans love pumping the supply side of the economy even when it is fully saturated. The days of a weak US economy are long gone. The real problem is that savings exceed investments. You either let the government create viable investments for the private market, or you just let the government invest directly.

There has never been anything such as "trickle down economics", it's merely a political label to demonize lowering the tax rates on investments.

Arthur Laffer tried to argue that tax cuts would lead to an increase in growth enough to produce the same or more tax revenues, which clearly didn't happen. But tax cuts did clearly lead to an increase in growth.

Right now, even under the lower Trump corporate rates, if you want to invest in a U.S. Business you will lose 33-50% of your profits to Federal and State taxes. Thats a tax on investment, reinvestment and savings. If you want to convert savings to investment, just cut those taxes.