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by neogodless 1900 days ago
56 million cars sold last year. How many do you think were bought because they do not create emissions, or because of any serious consideration of the engineering behind them?

People buy a Toyota Corolla or Prius because it's below the median price, reliable and efficient. They will buy it and then never think about it again because it'll "just work."

People buy a Ford F150 because they either have some real use for a full-sized truck or, as we know is often the case, they want to feel like they are in the "big" vehicle, the "fancy" but "powerful" looking truck.

People buy a Porsche 911 because it's a symbol for having the money to throw at a fun, slightly exotic machine.

People buy a Tesla because it's a symbol of embracing the future, seeing cars as technology, and freeing them from generating exhaust and visiting gas stations.

People buy a Honda CR-V because it can do enough things well that they can just use it, fit people and stuff inside, feel safer when it snows, and so on.

People buy a Kia Soul because it's a little off the beaten path and comes in crazy colors.

Obviously the exact reasons behind each car purchase vary a little per person, but that's kind of the point. People want a car that feels like "them", and has enough practical use to justify their decision.

Automotive maker consolidation isn't new, just like any other industry, and it certainly would leave many unhappy if the options narrowed severely, because there are different use cases and preferences out there. For now, the market is so big that Toyota can have 6 different SUVs that are all slightly different, and you can configure a Ford F150 about a million different ways. (Though with colors converging back on black, white and gray, we're nearly back to the days of "You can have it any color, as long as it is black."

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I think several of your categories nailed what the vast majority of car owners are looking for: an transportation appliance. This is where I think EVs will eventually dominate the market, the only thing you will have to worry about is plugging it in. The simplicity of the electric drive train will make them even more reliable (and efficient) than the best gas vehicles today. No more oil changes. No more random fluid leaks on your driveway. No more mornings where you are late for work because your car wouldn't start or you forgot you had to stop and fill up with gas on the way to work.
That last point might still be the case. Forget to plug your car in overnight and suddenly you don't have enough mileage to get to work. Not everyone will have access at home to a fast charger so the option will be to slow charge over a 110V extension cord or go wait at a public charger that might be a little out of the way from your commute.

I'm definitely ready for an EV but my car sits in a parking lot at home (for at least a couple more years) rather than a driveway or garage and my work has no chargers. It seems kind a dumb decision right now to purchase an EV only to rely on availability public charging stations. I guess that's kind of what I do now with regards to filling up on gas, I don't own my own gas pump at home. But, I know where to reliably find fuel that I can pay for. Maybe gas stations can start to offer charging stations for a small fee. They would be competing with grocery stores that offer free charging but I'd imagine the free part will go away quickly once there is major demand for a public charger.

> No more mornings where you are late for work because your car wouldn't start

That sounds very optimistic. Don't forget that these new cars are increasingly powered by software!

That seems to equally be the case for both ICE and electric vehicles, so I don't think you're worse off going electric if that's your concern.
Note: There are actually a few important liquids in a Tesla as noted here: https://forums.tesla.com/discussion/62638/so-what-fluids-are...
Sounds like Apple products.
Thanks for writing what I couldn't figure out how to put into words.

I'll add one more thing: there are enough cars sold that there is enough market to support developing lots of different cars.

What is interesting is seeing the market contract in recent years. After 2008, a lot of car companies killed their performance models or lines off entirely, despite the bull run presumably adding more money in peoples pocket in years since. Car manufactureres are realizing they don't need to develop a lot of cars. That it's a bad business decision to build a 400hp turbocharged mitsubishi lancer and sell it to the tiny market of 30 year olds with money for a $45k car but no children to keep their sense in check, if the average consumer by and large just wants an SUV to go the grocery store. Some manufacturers like Ford don't even really sell sedans anymore, so it goes beyond even just performance cars to anything that isn't a 30mpg $24,000 sport utility box.
There's an ongoing joke about every time a manufacturer announces/releases a new performance car:

Internet car enthusiasts: "What an awesome car! It's RWD, great power, stick shift, awesome handling! It's going to sell amazingly well! I'm definitely going to buy one......."

".....used in five years!"

Meanwhile all the consumers that buy (or more often these days, lease) new cars are snapping up FWD (or FWD biased AWD) 4cylinder automatic CUVs.