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by bambax 1907 days ago
> I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that said that they adjusted my measurements with AI for a better fit

That is nothing short of hilarious. The machine knows best! Who are you, human, to pretend you are able to measure yourself?!

> AI for memorizing generic trends

It's possible "AI" may be just a pretext to sell mass-made junk and pretend it is adjusted to each individual.

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> It's possible "AI" may be just a pretext to sell mass-made junk and pretend it is adjusted to each individual.

It's also an internal distraction. They'd achieve something much closer to what they promise if they just threw some old-school regression analysis at the problem. But that's not cool these days, plus it's hard to relabel as AI even for the marketroids these days, and would involve actual work :).

This applies to many "AI companies" - so many want to either have easy process (throw data at some random Kaggle model and hope it sticks) or just a buzzword to bullshit investors with. Sometimes both.

What problem is there to apply regression at? You get the measures, and make the cloths fit to those measures. If there is any measure missing, you can't just go and guess it, because you are not fitting a population.

Talk about distraction...

People probably have a measurable bias in self-measurement, on average.
Sure, but just like people's measures tend toward a distribution, an "on average" bias is still going to be distributed. Trying to throw statistics at it is still going to lead to off the rack style sizing, and NOT individually tailored clothes.
How about a neural network trained on thousands of fashion trends?

And by "neural network", I mean my brain.

And by "thousands of fashion trends ", I mean I look at people in the mall.

Yes, see https://shoesize.me for how it is properly done.
Something similar happened in Japan with Zozosuit, they tried to use 3D reconstruction from smartphone camera for basically two piece business suits in $399, and the end result resembled texture file for your body in ugliest posture stitched together.

Maybe it could be considered class of fallacy, a kind that one would say the most popular choice of integers between 1 and 2 is 1.5000001.

They announced the release of v2 (might not be available yet though) the first one was a disaster.

Was excited to see how the pants and shirts fit (on the site it looked awesome, but then the actual user reviews on some were so bad lol)

Also, the founder is the Japanese guy going to the moon.

“Regression to the mean” is the technical term
>Who are you, human, to pretend you are able to measure yourself?!

A lot of people do not in fact know how to measure themselves properly for clothes (many people measure the wrong part of their body for the "waist"). Perhaps even more people think they're a certain size, but have never actually measured themselves, they just go by the measurements on clothes they already own, which are frequently "vanity sized" to make people feel better. I don't envy solving this problem between two sets of users: people who actually have the correct measurements and people who believe strongly that they do, but are quite wrong. Imagine how far off you would be if you went by your Old Navy pants: https://flowingdata.com/2010/09/30/advertised-vs-actual-wais...

You’re right! I sew infrequently as a hobby. I always thought my waist was just above my hips. When it comes to sewing, it’s actually closer to my belly button.

The size of the clothes also need to account for the fabric type. If it stretches x%, then you’ll want to maybe make it smaller, so it stretches to fit, or it will look frumpy. If the fabric doesn’t stretch at all, you’ll need to make sure there’s enough ease in the garment so you can bend and move your arms naturally.

I guess I forgot to write

"I, For One, Welcome Our Robot Overlords"

into the comments field when ordering :)

> It's possible "AI" may be just a pretext to sell mass-made junk and pretend it is adjusted to each individual.

Actually, I wouldn't mind that too much. It is difficult for me to find well-fitting trousers, so if they can supply those for me, I'm happy as long as the quality is acceptable. Plus their price is roughly half of what a proper tailor would cost me, so I kind of expected them to cut some corners.

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I laughed out loud at this