[rvp-x]

US healthcare is severely under-performing in comparison with other systems. https://ourworldindata.org/the-link-between-life-expectancy-...

People should acknowledge the system as flawed and not have market ideals stand in the way of fixing this flawed system.

Another note is that universal healthcare does not imply government-run healthcare. I live in a country which is an example of this - Israel.

[centimeter]

US healthcare isn't good. I never said it was. But the correct direction of reform is towards market-based healthcare, not to make it even more DMV-like.

> universal healthcare does not imply government-run healthcare

There is no practical way to implement one without the other in the US.

[dragonwriter]

> But the correct direction of reform is towards market-based healthcare

I suppose if you subscribe to, say, the normative-over-empirical approaches of the Austrian school of economics. If you are concerned with universality and cost-effectiveness, instead of the doctrines of the free market cult, reform toward the shape of systems which empirically do those things better than the US, which there are plenty of examples of in other advanced economies, would make sense.

[centimeter]

My evidence is that I've lived in countries with market-based healthcare (Thailand, Mexico) and countries with socialized healthcare (Canada, UK), and the market-based healthcare is always infinitely better. My wife had to wait months to see a psychiatrist in Canada, before we moved away. WTF? In Thailand it's like $50 and you get in right away.

> empirically do those things better than the US

Why are you bringing up the US? It's not market-based healthcare.

[dragonwriter]

> Why are you bringing up the US?

Both the source article and every comment in this thread except for one on the middle explicitly references the US; I didn’t bring it up, it was the established subject of the discussion.