[falcolas]

If you're asking for citations, you may wish to also provide them yourself. Otherwise it's merely using heresay and "Think of the children" brands of moralization to push your own morals onto others (other countries, in this instance).

[simion314]

Not the parent com mentor, but your argument is similar to the one where rock music and violent video games were blamed to cause violence. I don't know the show mentioned but in general would be a good idea not to block legal material because someone thinks it is not safe. There might be a correlation between some groups that consume X and some ill people.

The reason I intervened in this debate is that I listen to rock music and people that listen to rock were always accused of bad things by idiots without any proof that there is a causation, many people got beaten or killed because of this so I am really hopping we learned a lesson that maybe we should prove that something is bad.

[cforrester]

These are dissimilar due to the pathological nature of child pornography consumption. Consider instead if you had a true compulsion to commit acts of violence. I'm not so sure a psychologist would give you the all-clear to consume media which feeds into that compulsion, even if it would be fine for a mentally sound person.

That's the sticking point here: there is no mentally healthy market for child sexual abuse.

[simion314]

>Consider instead if you had a true compulsion to commit acts of violence. I'm not so sure a psychologist would give you the all-clear to consume media which feeds into that compulsion, even if it would be fine for a mentally sound person.

What do you mean? I should present someone an medical document that allows me to play a video game with violence, and a different medical document for watching adult content?

If that show is promoting child abuse then there should be a law that applies, if is just some art that some people don't like then we should make sure we don't cross a line, next you will have to censor Game of Thrones the TV series and for sure the books.

[cforrester]

I'm saying that violent media is fine for general consumption because the typical consumer is not prone to acts of violence, and the fantasy they are engaging in is temporary. The same is not true of child sexual abuse, where the typical consumer does have a mental illness that compels them to sexualize children.

[simion314]

>The same is not true of child sexual abuse, where the typical consumer does have a mental illness that compels them to sexualize children.

You imply that a big number of people that consume that media (I think the other guy said there are a lot of them in Japan) are sexual abusers. Can you prove this?

If not and you strongly believe in this assumption and the cause I think it should be provable, since there is a large number of consumers, located in certain regions, there should be some increase in crimes when this kind of content was released. Then after we have the proof we can write a paper, get it published, get it criticized and reproduced and then it should be easy to make the content illegal, we use the "think of the children" and politicians won't dare not to support it.

The only issue in the plan is if your assumption is wrong, and there is no statistical effect of the content on the large number of consumers.

If you want to try this plan, probably find someone that is an expert in the domain, someone at a university. maybe one of those scientists that studied video games violence/

[FalconSensei]

> The same is not true of child sexual abuse, where the typical consumer does have a mental illness that compels them to sexualize children.

That's a pretty serious accusation towards people who consume a content, to do without some SERIOUS backing of peer reviewed studies. Do you have any?

[cforrester]

I'm not trying to convince you or win imaginary victories. If they're interested in sharing information, I'm willing to read it. Otherwise, I will stick with the opinion I've formed based on what I've already read from relevant experts over the years.

[falcolas]

Then, we appear to be done having a conversation. Have a great day!

[cforrester]

Seems that way, but I'm glad I could offer a dissenting opinion; ending child sexual abuse is a topic of particular importance to me.