[jsharp]

I think it's great that lifeguards are paid well but close to $400k a year? I know Cost of living in LA is outrageous but WOW.

Teachers even in LA aren't making 1/4 of that even at the top of their pay charts they'd be lucky to just touch $100k a year.

We need good lifeguards, sure, but we don't need to pay them $300-400k a year...

[gnopgnip]

That isn't really true, football coaches like Clay Helton and Justin Wilcox make over $3m each per year in LA area.

Here is a list of all the head coach salaries in CA. https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?q=head+co...

Also this $400k number isn't really what they are paid, it includes benefits that don't directly affect take home pay that most people wouldn't include when talking about a jobs pay

[throwaway44234]

> We need good lifeguards, sure, but we don't need to pay them $300-400k a year...

I wonder, why does that apply to lifeguards but not to a FAANG employee?

[jsharp]

Not trying to be a jerk, but basic supply and demand.

There are literally millions of Americans who are able to perform the duties of a lifeguard. Millions more that could "manage" lifeguards.

Having your job be spending most of your day on a beautiful beach in southern California? That's a dream to many people!

I hearing on NPR (maybe This American Life?) about a lawyer who works full-time at his own firm during most of the year, but during the summer months goes on sabbatical to work as a lifeguard in the NY area. He's been doing this since he was a kid. Working as a lifeguard is his vacation!

You can't say the same about a Google or Facebook engineer. There's only so many people that could do the job, and very few would consider it their "dream" to code all day for a giant corporation. No one would consider it a vacation!

FWIW we should pay lifeguards a living wage! But $400k for an low-skill job that doesn't even require a high school education? Wow.

[flr03]

I don't think Lifeguard is a low-skill job, you need to be an extremely skilled swimmer. This is only achievable by learning and training from a very young age and being a minimum gifted for it.

[dominotw]

> This is only achievable by learning and training from a very young age and being a minimum gifted for it.

I passed lifeguard certification in my twenties. I am not a 'gifted' swimmer and the first time I got into water was when I was ~14 yrs.

[sosborn]

Getting hired to guard a pool is a completely different experience than getting hired for a beach.

[00117]

Exactly. Swimming is not so hard and working this profession is not the same as operating at a competitive level.

[sjg007]

Open ocean water certified?

[jfengel]

That's just it. There are millions of developers who could do FAANG jobs. Or at least, hundreds of thousands.

The companies go through hoops -- or rather, make you jump through hoops -- to get what they imagine to be the "cream of the crop". But the vast majority of them will tell you that they're not really that much more productive than the next developer who didn't make the cut. They're not sucking up all the 10x developers while the rest of us are stuck with 1x developers. Even if their tests really did get them the 10x developers, they could get a 9.9x developer for half the price.

Worldwide, it's certainly millions. Even just in the US, it's tens of thousands at a minimum, if not hundreds of thousands.

FAANG developers get paid mid six figures because FAANG companies make 11 figures. Lifeguards are not less skilled, more numerous, or less important. They just don't have access to the enormous pot of money. Same with schoolteachers, programmers in other industries, and lots of other people.

Being a programmer is great, and a lot of us are really good at our jobs. No reason to break our arms patting ourselves on the back. We're incredibly fortunate to be skilled at something that's making somebody a ton of money, and they're slightly unbinding the mouths of us kine who tread the grain. But we should remember that this is more about luck than our inherent greatness -- and that goes 10X for FAANG employees.

[cbsks]

It does require a high school education: https://fire.lacounty.gov/be-a-lifeguard/

And remember, the people making these salaries are at the top of their field. They aren’t the lifeguards at your condo’s pool, they are highly trained ocean rescuers. The person at the top of the list is an Assistant Chief at the Los Angeles County Fire Department and manages 900 people. Few people have the experience necessary to be qualified for that position.

[TomVDB]

Maybe the whole system of basing pay on supply and demand needs some serious adjustments based on the societal impact of a job?

It’s not that I’m unhappy with my cushy tech job and the life style that comes with it, but making literally 5x or 10x more than a nurse or a janitor and pretty much anyone who does essential and often backbreaking work is fundamentally unjust and cruel.

[cosmodisk]

Never think you are overpaid- you are not, definitely not if you are a developer, it's just that many others are underpaid, that's the problem.

[Snoozus]

taxpayers money vs. sharehder money mostly

[thisisnico]

Also FAANG employee is paid according to value created, they'd have to create more value then they are paid otherwise they wouldn't be employed.

Lifeguarding value is determined differently and is independent of pay.

[mrweasel]

Also lifeguards are viewed as an expense, who deliver no direct income to the city/county. A developer has his/her work translated into direct value to the company.

[throwawayboise]

> A developer has his/her work translated into direct value to the company.

Only in companies whose product is software. In other companies, IT and in-house/backoffice software systems are a cost center, just like the accounting department.

[renewiltord]

Presumably because "we" aren't paying the FAANG employee.

[Goosee]

Teachers in my school district in CA work schedules that rotate between 4 hour days & 6 hour days. At most that is 26 hours / week (MWF 6 hrs/day & TR 4 hrs/day). There is also the occasional teacher/department meeting, but the district shortens Wednesdays class schedule for the students & substitutes that time with a teacher on teacher meeting.

In essence, teachers aren't working >30 hr a week. They get 2 weeks winter break, 1 week spring break, ~2.5 month summer, most every Monday holiday off. So they work about 9 months a year.

On top of that, they receive the amazing lifetime CA Pension which is like 90% of your top 5 earning years.

I looked up my teacher's salaries from high school. They make more than my CA public university STEM professors make.

About 5 years into teaching, a high school teacher will make about 60k/year regular + 25k/year in benefits. Tenured will make 120k+ in base and benefits. That is pretty good for an average of 25 hour workweek, 9 months a year.

Nothing stopping them getting another job that works between the hours of 3-10pm during the school year, putting them closer to the hours a GS analyst would work.

[jedberg]

> Nothing stopping them getting another job that works between the hours of 3-10pm during the school year

You don't think they just go home and do nothing at 3pm, do you? They still have to grade the work and plan the lessons.

My wife was a teacher. She generally worked from 7:30am till 8pm, sometimes as late as 10pm. I would usually drop her off, go to my engineering job, and then go back to her school where I would spend a few hours hanging out helping her or working or watching TV while she kept working.

And in the summer they spend a bunch of time prepping for the next year and learning new things at conferences.

Anyone who thinks that teachers only work 25 hours a week 9 months a year are sorely mistaken. She definitely did more hours than I did at my engineering job, despite the fact that I made more than 4X her salary.

[Goosee]

It depends how teachers run their course.

So many teachers transitioned to grading stuff strictly during class hours so they can dip faster than students could